Market Discussions

POS fuel is dropping because while demand is somewhat higher, supply is higher still - plenty of new miners mining ice.


The price is so high because, due to lower demand, fewer people bother to produce it and so they can better dictate the price (assuming its manufactured) In other cases (drops etc) perhaps that item is just particularly rare which means that the few sellers again dictate the price.

You have the right principles, but youre not factoring in all of the variables.

IE yes you're right that more players coming back to the game means more demand, but youre forgetting that those players are also suppliers; some of them will come back and do PI, some will do ice mining, some will run missions, and some will do regular mining. The only thing that should go up is T2 because you cant squeeze more blood from a stone moon.

However all of this is far overshadowed by the recent changes to mining barges which made mining in high sec far safer for ice and regular ore, and the new alchemy change which broke the cartel on technetium.

You have the market principles right, you just need to factor in all the variables.

Actually it is the whole picture. Speculation and anticipation are just causes of supply and demand levels. Where ever supply and demand hits the same price, that is where price lands and trade happens.

The prices could also be high because people are speculating on just this. People expect more resubs with PLEX and have there for bought up a ton of PLEX in hopes of making bank.


POS fuel isn't dependent on the number of players in the game or resubscribing. POS fuels are based on the frequency of POS's being deployed (demand) and the number of people ice mining and doing PI.

Over the last month there has been a huge influx of people getting into PI because of its low cost/low maintenance. And with the new mining barge changes ice yields are higher with the ability to ice mining afk is far more easier. Both of these account for a massive influx of mats.

Once ice prices drop even further (they are going to get pretty damn low) we will see a ton of POS realted prices sky rocketing as more null / low sec corps start deploying POS's to take advantage of the new alchemy system, which will cause fuel prices to stabilize.



Regardless of how much demand there is for an item the price will generically never go below their material costs (yes some people will, but generally it dosen't happen). Items like Medium cargohold optimizations haven't really dropped in price even though a huge portion of ships that use them (barges) no longer need them, this is because the materials used are also used on other items there for regardless of how low the demand is the price can't drop below a critial point of what the base materials are (otherwise people will just buy and re-process).




There are a ton of things that need to be considered with market related situations. You're looking at the eve market as a whole though the eyes of a consumer. You need to get past this "world view" and look at it from the standing point of a business, or a manufacturer and things will be much more clear.

One very significant correction to this point, the reason why the market ssems to have behaved irrationally is what is known as a shift. In normal circunstances you move up and down a supply curve to match a point on the demand curve to reach equilibrium. This case the entire curves have shifted since more will be supplied at any given price then prior, this occurs because the underlying facts of the supply curve have changed.

In the real world this happens do to change in laws, changes in technology, and discovery of resources. In the game it happens when the Devs change the rules of the Game (in this case MINING BARGES and ALCHEMY).

Dear OP...

That is probably because the whole 'Supply & Demand' theory is a bunch of garbage... Its not even a law, theory or even a hypothesis.

The Supply and Demand crap is a friggin excuse used by a bunch of greedy bastards, they want to get more money and they build up the S&D excuse to wash their hands because the prices are going up for reasons beyond their control...

Have you notice that the market goes Haywire every time that CCP made some announcement...????? Incursions, Crucible expansion, Inferno changes, the mining barges revamp... The plexes for a Geforce 560 promotion... etc...

Break the status quo and everyone is going to go crazy, some people will try to do something outside the status quo, breaking things up if you ask me and a few other players are going to get a profit out of it...

Again, nothing to do with supply and demand because it was caused by CCP and the players took advantage of it... There is no such thing as an element beyond our control lol!... I let you know if a bunch of gremlins get into the market when the server goes down to maintenance...


High demand = Shortages... and some douche selling a few units for insanely high prices... Douche!!! because its the same blueprint, you still need the same amount of resources and the same time to mine them or the same money to buy the resources yourself....

High Supply = Atari video game burial

Ya, when the supply is high, every noob in the galaxy starts undercutting each other in the marketplace without thinking about how much time it takes for the PI stuff to be made... (plus taxes)... If the supply is high enough, the noobs are going to be noober... They will give you their stuff very cheaply or free!!!!!!! Later on the smarties can sell it for more in the market when all the undercutting fever goes away....

Nope, the mistake is in assuming the shapes and position of the supply and demand graphs are ever steady for any noteworthy amount of time, as opposed to ever-changing.

Speculators, be it stockpiling or stock dumpers are already included in both supply and demand graphs shapes and positions, which constantly change both depending on the current state of the game mechanics AND that of the meta-gameplay.
Every person who hears a rumour, every new person getting into or out of the market, and every trade made, all of those things ever so subtly alter the graphs, and they do so very frequently.
Stockpilers are nothing more than an upwards bump in the demand graph (more prominent in the low price areas), stock dumpers are nothing more than an upwards bump in the supply graph (more prominent in the high price areas).

Correction and this is where you are very wrong. Those off grid do not affect supply and demand until they drop their product onto the market then they do impact supply and demand. There by they are to be considered when thinking about supply and demand issues. Example there are at least a 6 month supply of prebuilt Retrievers in game exsistance right now. However only about a 3 week supply is currently for sale the real market supply. The price is climbing because the over supply is not on the market.

Do you understand the concept of a "volume vs price" graph for both supply and demand ?
Now tell me, WHEN will stockpilers choose to stockpile, and when will they decide to dump stocks ? Isn't it at some more or less specific prices far off from the current price ?
So what's stopping you from figuring them into the graphs as a very abrupt section near the edge of the graph ?