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Escort Carriers; How could we make them NOT game breaking?

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Anslo
Scope Works
#1 - 2012-08-16 15:45:52 UTC
Yes it's been discussed already, but the idea and looks of these damn ships are just so cool and sexy that I want them in EVE so freaking bad! That and there needs to be some kind of break between the constant miner vs griefer threads...

A lot of talk has gone around about something to make highsec less safe, something to give a boost to pvp, and something to make lowsec attractive as well. Maybe these ships could give it that little kick?...

Art of Escort Carriers

Highsec wise, these could make wars all the more interesting. But, to prevent highsec blobs from occuring, limit escort carriers in high sec to being non-fighter drone boats, 15-17 drones max, from light to heavy, no sentry drones.

Create an interference mechanism where, if more than 3 escort carriers are on grid, another cannot release it's drones due to too much radio traffic in highsec or some crap.

No cap RR or capital repairs. X-Large at most.

Miners get the Orca, why can't others get a fun toy?

Lowsec wise, these could be obtained a bit easier than full fledged carriers, and be capable of launching fewer fighters, but ONLY in lowsec, no fighters in high sec. It could be an inexpensive way for budding cap pilots to test the waters, as it were. Again, no cap RR or repair.

Any other ideas? What would YOU do to make Escort Carriers a reality (and non-game breaker) in EVE?

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Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#2 - 2012-08-16 15:48:23 UTC
The game is broken simply because we don't have them yet

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!

Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#3 - 2012-08-16 15:53:12 UTC
The game doesn't need more capital ships, it needs less.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#4 - 2012-08-16 15:55:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Step #1: Conceive of a purpose for them that isn't already covered by other ships and classes…
Anslo
Scope Works
#5 - 2012-08-16 16:00:30 UTC
The purpose would be to provide a goal for high sec people and corps to obtain. To create and maintain a fleet of escort carriers would be a big deal, especially to field them in combat. But they aren't indestructible and can be downed with a few BS. It could also give miners a REASON to try pvp, to defend themselves with a big ol honkin ship.

In lowsec it could add a new dimension of subterfuge by trying to move small, nimble and powerful escort carriers around as a means of alpha striking a system, keeping the enemy busy, and popping a cyno to get their mates in.

All in all, I think it would be a very fun new addition, particularly for highsec, and as a means to give them a taste of what pvp with "capital" ships could be like!

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Whadafool
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-08-16 16:02:58 UTC
no! we have enough caps in game already. and the reason limited drones to 5 per ship is because of lag. do you want lag to get worst?

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#7 - 2012-08-16 16:06:14 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Step #1: Conceive of a purpose for them that isn't already covered by other ships and classes…

Step 2: Post an idea for a feature in the relevant forum.
Step 3: ???

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Anslo
Scope Works
#8 - 2012-08-16 16:06:30 UTC
High sec lag isn't too much of an issue now a days. Even around Jita it's pretty good. Though I could see a goon-esque corp doing a Burn Jita, Drone Lag Edition....

Maybe limit it to 0.5-0.7? I don't know, I just REALLY LIKE THOSE DAMN SHIPS ACK! I'd buy the **** out of those Hades Class.

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MIrple
Black Sheep Down
Tactical Narcotics Team
#9 - 2012-08-16 16:07:20 UTC
Post a role that the ship would fill that no other ship would fill. A goal for Hi sec dwellers is not a role that is an I want a purple ship idea this is not WOW. We do not need to create ships for people that are risk adverse if you want a carrier move out to low sec or null sec and fly one.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-08-16 16:08:24 UTC
Whadafool wrote:
the reason limited drones to 5 per ship is because of lag. do you want lag to get worst?

You know we have time dilation right?
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#11 - 2012-08-16 16:10:05 UTC
Anslo, stop being bad. There is already a huge thread in the features and ideas forum about this. It doesn't need a copy here in GD.

Katrina Oniseki

MIrple
Black Sheep Down
Tactical Narcotics Team
#12 - 2012-08-16 16:11:00 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Whadafool wrote:
the reason limited drones to 5 per ship is because of lag. do you want lag to get worst?

You know we have time dilation right?


You know hi sec dwellers cry the loudest. If systems were regularly TiDi in empire the complaints would be endless.
Anslo
Scope Works
#13 - 2012-08-16 16:11:59 UTC
MIrple wrote:
Post a role that the ship would fill that no other ship would fill. A goal for Hi sec dwellers is not a role that is an I want a purple ship idea this is not WOW. We do not need to create ships for people that are risk adverse if you want a carrier move out to low sec or null sec and fly one.


See it's ass hats like you that come up with this wall of elitism and WoW comparisons that kill this game and make this community a laughing stock to everyone outside of it. You assume I'm a high sec dweller just because I thought of a way to get the bears to try a little pewpew and have some fun. I've flown multiple carriers, and derped a few into very obvious threats without a care in the world.

It was fun, REALLY fun. I loved it.

This ship's role could fill the role of flag ship or lead ship in highsec engagements much like people rally around their capital ships in low and nul.

In low and nul these would be quick and easy semi-capital ships to move around and use in engagements. Instead of blobbing with 30 full carriers, you could blob with fewer and use more escort carriers.

Also, these ships could have what carriers/super carriers do not; anti-air defense against fighters and drones.

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Whadafool
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-08-16 16:12:08 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Whadafool wrote:
the reason limited drones to 5 per ship is because of lag. do you want lag to get worst?

You know we have time dilation right?


have you ever been in tidi? imagine that in every system in high sec Shocked

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Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#15 - 2012-08-16 16:13:55 UTC
Can't really see the purpose of them - all they'd do is provide yet another gank magnet? and the stats can be fairly well covered by the rattlesnake which needless to say if your deployed into lowsec or during a highsec war would attract a massive gang.
Anslo
Scope Works
#16 - 2012-08-16 16:14:28 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Anslo, stop being bad. There is already a huge thread in the features and ideas forum about this. It doesn't need a copy here in GD.


It's an old dead thread as far as I can see.

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MIrple
Black Sheep Down
Tactical Narcotics Team
#17 - 2012-08-16 16:19:06 UTC
Anslo wrote:
MIrple wrote:
Post a role that the ship would fill that no other ship would fill. A goal for Hi sec dwellers is not a role that is an I want a purple ship idea this is not WOW. We do not need to create ships for people that are risk adverse if you want a carrier move out to low sec or null sec and fly one.


See it's ass hats like you that come up with this wall of elitism and WoW comparisons that kill this game and make this community a laughing stock to everyone outside of it. You assume I'm a high sec dweller just because I thought of a way to get the bears to try a little pewpew and have some fun. I've flown multiple carriers, and derped a few into very obvious threats without a care in the world.

It was fun, REALLY fun. I loved it.

This ship's role could fill the role of flag ship or lead ship in highsec engagements much like people rally around their capital ships in low and nul.

In low and nul these would be quick and easy semi-capital ships to move around and use in engagements. Instead of blobbing with 30 full carriers, you could blob with fewer and use more escort carriers.

Also, these ships could have what carriers/super carriers do not; anti-air defense against fighters and drones.


Again what role will they fill that other ships don't fill already? I am not against new ships in the game but you need to figure out what space this ship can fill in that other ships do already do.

As to hi sec ingagements I am pretty sure there are not massive fleet on fleet battles happening every day to need "flagship"

Its not elitism its just trying to not make this game pants on head. I still fly frigs around most of the time does that make me a noob?

As to your idea of anti fighters and drone a smartbombing BC or auto cane will do a much better job of this then a ship that would probably have a slower lock time then a BS.
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#18 - 2012-08-16 16:19:09 UTC
MIrple wrote:
Post a role that the ship would fill that no other ship would fill. A goal for Hi sec dwellers is not a role that is an I want a purple ship idea this is not WOW. We do not need to create ships for people that are risk adverse if you want a carrier move out to low sec or null sec and fly one.


I concur, there's a reason that capitals aren't allowed in high sec, If you dwell in high sec and never leave, that's your choice, CCP shouldn't give you the toys if you aren't willing to move beyond the boundaries.

If high sec players want a carrier, their goal should be to get out to low or null sec. Pure and simple.

Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims.

Anslo
Scope Works
#19 - 2012-08-16 16:23:36 UTC
MIrple wrote:
Anslo wrote:
MIrple wrote:
Post a role that the ship would fill that no other ship would fill. A goal for Hi sec dwellers is not a role that is an I want a purple ship idea this is not WOW. We do not need to create ships for people that are risk adverse if you want a carrier move out to low sec or null sec and fly one.


See it's ass hats like you that come up with this wall of elitism and WoW comparisons that kill this game and make this community a laughing stock to everyone outside of it. You assume I'm a high sec dweller just because I thought of a way to get the bears to try a little pewpew and have some fun. I've flown multiple carriers, and derped a few into very obvious threats without a care in the world.

It was fun, REALLY fun. I loved it.

This ship's role could fill the role of flag ship or lead ship in highsec engagements much like people rally around their capital ships in low and nul.

In low and nul these would be quick and easy semi-capital ships to move around and use in engagements. Instead of blobbing with 30 full carriers, you could blob with fewer and use more escort carriers.

Also, these ships could have what carriers/super carriers do not; anti-air defense against fighters and drones.


Again what role will they fill that other ships don't fill already? I am not against new ships in the game but you need to figure out what space this ship can fill in that other ships do already do.

As to hi sec ingagements I am pretty sure there are not massive fleet on fleet battles happening every day to need "flagship"

Its not elitism its just trying to not make this game pants on head. I still fly frigs around most of the time does that make me a noob?

As to your idea of anti fighters and drone a smartbombing BC or auto cane will do a much better job of this then a ship that would probably have a slower lock time then a BS.


Alright...sorry I got mad. Rage issues.

I see your points, and this ship would need a specific role, maybe a more efficient hybrid or some such. But as for the smart bombing BS, I don't know. You risk damage to other ships in your fleet AND taking one hell of a beating versus an Escort Carrier with some very pin point accurate guns, much like a destroyer is an anti-frig ship.

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Anslo
Scope Works
#20 - 2012-08-16 16:25:27 UTC
Virgil Travis wrote:
MIrple wrote:
Post a role that the ship would fill that no other ship would fill. A goal for Hi sec dwellers is not a role that is an I want a purple ship idea this is not WOW. We do not need to create ships for people that are risk adverse if you want a carrier move out to low sec or null sec and fly one.


I concur, there's a reason that capitals aren't allowed in high sec, If you dwell in high sec and never leave, that's your choice, CCP shouldn't give you the toys if you aren't willing to move beyond the boundaries.

If high sec players want a carrier, their goal should be to get out to low or null sec. Pure and simple.


But it ISN'T a full fledged carrier. As I said, it's a taste, a dip in the water. It can launch more drones, engage in reps and be an anti drone/fighter/frig beast, but it can't launch fighters unless you're in low/nul, it can't use a cyno (durr), it can't use many cap goodies like RR and such in highsec. It's like....a type of guardian-vexor-ish ship, imo.

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