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Cruisers in FW?
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Koujjo Dian
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-08-16 13:58:53 UTC
Lets just pretend for a moment that CCP fixed FW and it wasn't driven by farmers in gun-less frigates. Would cruisers be useful and be able to find many fights? The reason I ask is I have finally gotten to skills up to a reasonable level that I now feel compelled to start training for a new class of ships.

I like to fly solo 90% of the time and try to stick to cheap hulls for a couple of reasons. One is because they're cheap :). Two because cheaper ships seem to be less scary to enemies and because of that get more fights. So that leaves me with a couple of options. Interceptors, even they're T2 are still relatively cheap, but they don't seem to be all that effective. I could go with assault frigates but they're a bit expensive and I'm thinking I could get more bang for my buck out of T1 cruisers or navy cruisers.

My only fear is that I will train for cruisers and I will find myself with no targets because everyone else is flying battle cruisers. Opinions?
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#2 - 2012-08-16 14:14:49 UTC
Koujjo Dian wrote:
Lets just pretend for a moment that CCP fixed FW and it wasn't driven by farmers in gun-less frigates. Would cruisers be useful and be able to find many fights? The reason I ask is I have finally gotten to skills up to a reasonable level that I now feel compelled to start training for a new class of ships.

I like to fly solo 90% of the time and try to stick to cheap hulls for a couple of reasons. One is because they're cheap :). Two because cheaper ships seem to be less scary to enemies and because of that get more fights. So that leaves me with a couple of options. Interceptors, even they're T2 are still relatively cheap, but they don't seem to be all that effective. I could go with assault frigates but they're a bit expensive and I'm thinking I could get more bang for my buck out of T1 cruisers or navy cruisers.

My only fear is that I will train for cruisers and I will find myself with no targets because everyone else is flying battle cruisers. Opinions?



Yes fw will give you a decent amount of good fights in cruisers. Almost certainly more than any other part of eve save perhaps rvb.

Even while plexing is broken plexes are still used to get fights. You will basically want to get into medium plexes. Medium plexes do allow faction - including pirate faction cruisers in as well as tech 2 frigates. No bcs or tech 2 cruisers allowed. Although they may allow tech 3 cruisers but I haven't actually seen that.

Plan on fighting some tech 2 frigates. Specifically keep in mind the transversal they can hit with an ab. Probably also some td frigates which are the fotm. You will also likely find yourself fighting destroyers - but their sig radius is larger so they are not so hard.

Good luck and have fun.

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kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-08-16 15:00:33 UTC
SFI
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#4 - 2012-08-16 15:06:08 UTC
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
SFI


Is nice, if you can't afford a navy caracal.

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kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-08-16 15:08:53 UTC
booo caracals
BolsterBomb
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-08-16 15:13:23 UTC
TBH, here is where the problem lies with anything higher then Minors when soloing. The rats.

The rats give the person attacking the plexer a huge advantage. Even without Ewar the rats hit hard enough to tip the scales. In minors its not a big deal because you can blast through the rats as the spawn.

If you enter the higher plexes with cruisers + you 1) invite ganks and 2) the rats dont die as quickly (even when using a CNI)

The problem CCP is faced with is how do you attract PVP in the plex but also prevent the farmer? Well TBH right now you mine as well remove the rats because normally people are just speed tanking them.

When we go out in gangs its not a problem, but when we do it in gangs we are usually using the plex as a place to prevent getting blobed by higher class hulls or to setup for a fight.

I go out with a CNI a lot to plex mediums, but if someone comes in while a rat spawn is there, Im going to be SOL unless I can kite both the rats and the aggressor.

Brig General of The Caldari State

"Don" Bolsterbomb

Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation
Dread Pirate Pete
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-08-16 15:42:29 UTC
BolsterBomb wrote:
The problem CCP is faced with is how do you attract PVP in the plex but also prevent the farmer? Well TBH right now you mine as well remove the rats because normally people are just speed tanking them.


Fewer rats. Give the button webs equal to button orbit bubble :D
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-08-16 16:42:21 UTC
The vast majority of my kills (and deaths) are in T1 cruisers. Yes they are useful, and yes they are fun.

And you can build a valid pvp plexing ship with cruiser - you just need an active tank. For me, I use a rail Thorax. But an active tank short-range Vexor or Arbitrator would work as well. Drones eat plex rats alive.

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!
Koujjo Dian
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-08-16 16:59:30 UTC
Hrett wrote:
The vast majority of my kills (and deaths) are in T1 cruisers. Yes they are useful, and yes they are fun.

And you can build a valid pvp plexing ship with cruiser - you just need an active tank. For me, I use a rail Thorax. But an active tank short-range Vexor or Arbitrator would work as well. Drones eat plex rats alive.


Don't hate me but I'm actually going for the Navy Omen :/. And yeah I'm somewhat concerned about being tied up with rat aggro and not being able to kill it quickly enough to take them out of the fight when a WT is entering.

The more I play EVE and FW the more annoyed I get at the game. Some of my favorite Punisher fits are passive armor tanked which basically means I can't plex brawl with them and so they're useless. I know changes are probably on the way but I find myself logging in less and less just because I don't feel like dealing with the B.S. right now. I just hope I don't have to wait much longer.
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#10 - 2012-08-16 17:23:10 UTC
Koujjo Dian wrote:
Hrett wrote:
The vast majority of my kills (and deaths) are in T1 cruisers. Yes they are useful, and yes they are fun.

And you can build a valid pvp plexing ship with cruiser - you just need an active tank. For me, I use a rail Thorax. But an active tank short-range Vexor or Arbitrator would work as well. Drones eat plex rats alive.


Don't hate me but I'm actually going for the Navy Omen :/. And yeah I'm somewhat concerned about being tied up with rat aggro and not being able to kill it quickly enough to take them out of the fight when a WT is entering.

The more I play EVE and FW the more annoyed I get at the game. Some of my favorite Punisher fits are passive armor tanked which basically means I can't plex brawl with them and so they're useless. I know changes are probably on the way but I find myself logging in less and less just because I don't feel like dealing with the B.S. right now. I just hope I don't have to wait much longer.


IMO, plexes are not the place for you if you like buffer armor fits (not just for the rats, but less places to dock and rep up now). Passive shield fits are win in my books especially for plex warfare, unless you have some ship bonused for armor reps.
BolsterBomb
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-08-16 17:28:08 UTC
Koujjo Dian wrote:
Hrett wrote:
The vast majority of my kills (and deaths) are in T1 cruisers. Yes they are useful, and yes they are fun.

And you can build a valid pvp plexing ship with cruiser - you just need an active tank. For me, I use a rail Thorax. But an active tank short-range Vexor or Arbitrator would work as well. Drones eat plex rats alive.


Don't hate me but I'm actually going for the Navy Omen :/. And yeah I'm somewhat concerned about being tied up with rat aggro and not being able to kill it quickly enough to take them out of the fight when a WT is entering.

The more I play EVE and FW the more annoyed I get at the game. Some of my favorite Punisher fits are passive armor tanked which basically means I can't plex brawl with them and so they're useless. I know changes are probably on the way but I find myself logging in less and less just because I don't feel like dealing with the B.S. right now. I just hope I don't have to wait much longer.



Every game changes, and plex fighting currently promotes either passive shield fits or active tank ships. It just is what it is right now. CCP is working on it and we shall see what happens with plexes. I know they want plexing to be a pvp oriented game and missioning to be the pve side.

In every game you must adjust.

Brig General of The Caldari State

"Don" Bolsterbomb

Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation
Abannan
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-08-16 19:48:58 UTC
I find alot of sucess with Vexor/navy vexors, especially if paired with something like an ishkur to tank rat damage/kill rats (very very easy for caldari plexes due to the iskhurs natural defence to kinetic damage), ishkur running button/killing rats with it's drones, if you stay perfectly still ont he warp in you wont gain aggro (good for vexor ofcourse due to blasters in-your-face range but not so brilliant for kitey stuff unless you can get off the warp in pretty fast).
Zombie Lord Ryan
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-08-16 20:50:59 UTC
ASB is killing cruiser solo PVP. Unless you fit ASB's to your cruiser. Unless you have enough alpha it's almost pointless to engage.
Zombie Lord Ryan
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-08-16 20:53:21 UTC
Cearain wrote:
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
SFI


Is nice, if you can't afford a navy caracal.



I didn't know anyone use navy caracal, never seen one. What are they good for?
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#15 - 2012-08-16 21:10:48 UTC
Zombie Lord Ryan wrote:
Cearain wrote:
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
SFI


Is nice, if you can't afford a navy caracal.



I didn't know anyone use navy caracal, never seen one. What are they good for?


Killing vigilants in fw plexes for one. It's an amazing solo and fleet ship.
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#16 - 2012-08-16 21:52:56 UTC
Zombie Lord Ryan wrote:
Cearain wrote:
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
SFI


Is nice, if you can't afford a navy caracal.



I didn't know anyone use navy caracal, never seen one. What are they good for?


Imagine a PODLA drake, then take away most of its tank and double its speed and agility.
Vyktor Abyss
Abyss Research
#17 - 2012-08-16 23:13:26 UTC
Nope sorry its T1 frigates and dessies only.....
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#18 - 2012-08-17 07:27:32 UTC
Navy caracals are trash ships and you should just contract them all to me now *cough*
whaynethepain
#19 - 2012-08-17 07:33:31 UTC
Koujjo Dian wrote:
Bla de bla tldr

My only fear is that I will train for cruisers and I will find myself with no targets because everyone else is flying battle cruisers. Opinions?


Most train for cruisers, then move onto BC's.

Please don't reply with an epic post on how you will not be training BC's, because I won't be reading that either.

Cruisers are brilliant.

Getting you on your feet.

So you've further to fall.
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
#20 - 2012-08-17 07:58:26 UTC
Why does everyone need a best option. You know what. I was flying around killing NPCs in major plexes earlier and stopping milfarmers from getting the best LP/hour earlier in a group of drakes.

Yet again I got no fights because people either tried to gank me and I'm not stupid or they ran from my WE ARE LEGION drakes.
FW is still farmersonline. It's sad.

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