Player Features and Ideas Discussion

And a year after CCP makes this change you'll go "you know, I should be able to haul 500m worth of equipment in perfect safety", or "you know, freighters are much too fragile, they should be able to haul at least 5b of stuff before they'd be profitable to gank".


Except a large portion of them have adapted into not being awful at this game.


"Used to be", eh? Look again.

And I'm arguing against your ... opinion ... not because I'm in goons (I can't be arsed to suicide gank people, too much work), but because I've made the changes you're bitching and moaning about having to do several years ago, I think of them as fair tradeoffs, and in the case of the orca I find it to be a much, much better hauler as a whole between solar systems because of its hugely increased carrying capacity, whereas I use t1 haulers for intra-system hauls.

I've adapted, tons of other players have adapted, none of them are singing the whine song you are about "waaaah I can't AFK travel safely with 200m in the cargohold", and CCP making this change would be pissing on our ability to adapt to the realities of life in hisec.

you arent a producer, you cant math too.
Even if you would manage to build a tornado including T2 arties for 75 mil because suicide gankers are knowingly all industrialists, which i highly doubt (there is almost no margin on BCs), and assumed you would keep ganking haulers carrying 75mil you would end up loosing huge masses of money, because statistically only 37,5mil would drop per killed hauler. This is a fact you cant deny - only half of loot is dropping from ships.

But even if you save some ISK by mining and building your nados yourself, you would still loose the same ISK - not during the gank but on markets, because you could sell them in jita with profit instead investing them into the gank.
It doesnt matter how much you paid for something to acquire, you should always calculate with market prices for needed material which are jita prices basically.

Tornado: 70m
T2 guns: 40m

Welp, haven't even fitted gyostabs etc, and we're already at 110m.

TLDR:

EVE is a PvP pretty fleet battle game with everything else tacked on as an afterthought to make it seem "living". We're lucky freighers even exist or that "gate cloaks" exist to counter lag or instapops without even your pc loading the destination gate. EVE exists to kill ships, and any mechanic to assist non combat mechanics will always be slow to come.

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Actual thoughts on what the OP said:

I don't really think any mechanics should be created or modified that allow to better AFK anything, but I do think that we should get more options to actively lower our odds of being instapopped when exiting gates.

Gate camping haulers is a group effort. Scanning ships, gate ships and separate looting ships, all of this tied to impossible to notice cargo scans, a Concord mechanic that stops players from firing first on a known "camping fleet", and tactics that allow the attackers to even delay Concord by 6 seconds by spawning them elsewhere first.

I'm not saying nerf piracy, or make ganking a ship harder, what I am saying is give players more mechanics so that when they are either moving cargo or flying something "gank-fun" they have more options when entering or exiting gates that is more then "lets pray we don't have lag", or "I'll need to to get a second account to use as a scout".

In a more "realistic" scenario, expensive freight might be escorted, but In EVE, even a full T2 battleship escort for freighters is pointless because target ships are killed by Alpha and the "defenders" cant do anything to stop it, even if all are present and for that matter, sorrounding the target ship.

All the mechanics are stacked one way. I would like to see game mechanics that do cater to allow players to run escort, but based on what I have seen of the engine, it won't be possible. It's a miracle we even have the lag protection in the so called "gate cloak".

A more realistic EVE engine scenario engine might have freighters that are impossible to just alpha and need a dedicated assault to crack but said freigheter are much harder to manouver and warp so they have to take it for longer. It might have a normal Police response in the way of ships rather then a Finger Of God CONCORD, and also allowences to let any nearby ships jump in the fray against the ships carrying out a criminal act (cause they go flashy red), be that passers by or the paid escort, also paying bounties on those kills, and would actually turn whats now called a "gank" into basically what we have in RL when criminals attack say a bank money truck, and would play out a lot more fun for everyone involved; also, you still want to try to Alpha that truck? I'd raise the odds of much more loot being destroyed.

Eve has as simple engine. It was designed for allowing PvP fleet battles and all the rest being a tack-on, and it's still being patched as it goes along when something is "overdone to death" - recently being the less gankable mining ships, That's how it look to me so far anyway.

No change is needed.

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Impressive, I'd like to place an order for 1000 fully gankfit tornadoes for 75m a piece, COD. You can contract them to me in Jita. I will, of course, insist that the guns are T2 1400s.

Keep in mind that you'll probably have to stick in at least 5-10m for gyrostabs, various midslots (I assume there are some sensor boosters etc, and some rigs), and oh hey look you're at 115-120m+.

If they really do make a full gank-fit torando for 75m, then by golly do I want to buy those so I can strip them down and sell them all in jita.

So that's the bit you chose to answer. Brushing over the bit where what you really want is a cheap hauler you can tank to be near invulnerable in high sec then, I take it.

How is that the case? Because that's what you've been doing. You absolutely are saying you refuse to change your play style by refusing to accept any of the possible solutions provided to you and continuing to demand the unbalancing of tech I haulers.

You're saying there shouldn't be any need to? Really? Like the chap I knew who said there shouldn't be any need to scout gates if your T3 has anti-bubble subsystem and cov-ops cloak. After 3 losses he rage quit. Adapt.... or... die. It's a meme in this game for a very good reason. He thought he shouldn't have to adapt and he died. From what you've said you're in precisely the same situation.

Also, you haven't addressed how this is such a good change when you have almost no support for it.

Wrong, that's just you having entitlement issues. The rest of us meanwhile are ready, willing and able to use the tools as provided. As I said earlier, haul afk, become a target, your choice. No changes needed, even if you insist because CCP knows the ships that do the job are already in the game.