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Is 0.0 all about RMT?

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Khira Kitamatsu
#101 - 2011-10-13 02:42:41 UTC
CCP Zymurgist wrote:
RMT, Real Money Trading, is very much against the EULA. If you suspect anyone of participating in these activities please file a petition and report them to the GMs with any details you have.


Even if people are reported, CCP will not ban them.

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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#102 - 2011-10-13 02:48:56 UTC
CCP Zymurgist wrote:
RMT, Real Money Trading, is very much against the EULA. If you suspect anyone of participating in these activities please file a petition and report them to the GMs with any details you have.


This is like a drunkered explaining why drinking is morally corrupt.

Don't ban me, bro!
Maxpie
MUSE LLP
#103 - 2011-10-13 02:58:30 UTC
Funny how you can tell who the bot users/rmt'ers are just by reading the replies in these threads.

No good deed goes unpunished
Madam Steele
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#104 - 2011-10-13 03:00:20 UTC
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:
Dee Luxx wrote:
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
Baver Juice wrote:
Is it true that a handful of people, through their alliances, control 50% of null sec space, and are using this position to engage in RMT?


Actually I believe its more. 69% last I saw

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/buddahcjcc/DCF.png

edit: its 72% my bad


Yep. That just killed EVE for me, completely.

Aww...will you come back when it's 100%? It shouldn't take too long.


Won't this kill the premise of Dust 514 before it is even released?
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#105 - 2011-10-13 03:02:58 UTC
Madam Steele wrote:
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:
Dee Luxx wrote:
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
Baver Juice wrote:
Is it true that a handful of people, through their alliances, control 50% of null sec space, and are using this position to engage in RMT?


Actually I believe its more. 69% last I saw

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/buddahcjcc/DCF.png

edit: its 72% my bad


Yep. That just killed EVE for me, completely.

Aww...will you come back when it's 100%? It shouldn't take too long.


Won't this kill the premise of Dust 514 before it is even released?

I don't see how that would be true, but if it is then that's hilarious.

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Madam Steele
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#106 - 2011-10-13 03:14:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Madam Steele
From: http://www.nag.co.za/2011/08/26/gamescom-2011-dust-514-preview/

"Dust 514 will feature two areas: High Security Space and No Security Space or Null-Sec. High Security Space is where most players will choose to start out. This is an area for matchmaking and grinding, as well as earning skills and money. Some people might choose never to leave this area at all. Null-Sec, however, is where the heart of EVE Online meets Dust 514. In Null-Sec the various player-formed corporations battle it out for control of the multitude of planets in the EVE universe."

I guess it all comes down to how much CCP is willing to sacrifice to accomodate the GSF.
EVE Stig
Doomheim
#107 - 2011-10-13 03:34:30 UTC  |  Edited by: EVE Stig
Anela Cistine wrote:
EVE Stig wrote:

Yes, listen and trust the Goon lol


I wouldn't trust me either, but what part of my advice was bad? We have our own newbies practice doing dangerous things like running camps in cheap frigates, it works. From what I've seen travel fit T3s with interdiction nullifiers and covops cloaks can roam nullsec pretty much at will, and are fine as long as all you want to do is look around. A tiny covops ship is a bit easier to lose, but also much cheaper and faster to train for.

I'm goonswarm's current Director of Rifters, so if I'm giving bad advice I'd like to know about it.


Id have to say the part where you pretend you recruit from EVE cause you only recruit gank bait from EVE

Khira Kitamatsu wrote:
CCP Zymurgist wrote:
RMT, Real Money Trading, is very much against the EULA. If you suspect anyone of participating in these activities please file a petition and report them to the GMs with any details you have.


Even if people are reported, CCP will not ban them.


Um yes, Id like to report all of Goons, I already know the answer.

"We dont have enough ppl"

Madam Steele wrote:


Won't this kill the premise of Dust 514 before it is even released?


We could only hope lol

"Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"!
Kai Lae
Karmunism Limited
#108 - 2011-10-13 05:39:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Kai Lae
Sigh. New forums are worse than old forums. Just had my post ate, not going to write it again. TL/DR - 0.0 RMT is very dependent on which group you look at. Some don't do it, some do it all the time. It depends.
knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#109 - 2011-10-13 05:47:28 UTC
CCP Zymurgist wrote:
RMT, Real Money Trading, is very much against the EULA. If you suspect anyone of participating in these activities please file a petition and report them to the GMs with any details you have.


Didn't you guys ever figure out how the drf managed to pay for there war recently? Fleets of semi disposable supercaps didn't come from selling drone salvage.
Player 90570295
La Blue Girl
#110 - 2011-10-13 06:50:42 UTC
Minerals are super cheap in drone space due to all the drone alloys, so supercaps appearing out of nowhere isn't that surprising. Everything I've seen suggests that the various alliances in the Drone Region Federation do RMT.

I've seen some evidence of it in Pandemic Legion, but not on an alliance level. There was a bit of it in the various Northern Coalition alliances, but considering how many people they had, that's to be expected. I would be surprised if Brick Squad had enough ISK to RMT. Ev0ke doesn't have any RMT that I know of, but a chunk of their members were banned for being dupers.

As for the CFC (I don't think I can say their name, although I'm not sure I can say my name either) both Goonswarm Federation and TEST Alliance Please Ignore have their finances public. Any alliance level RMT would easily be seen.
Via Shivon
#111 - 2011-10-13 08:18:24 UTC
CCP cares about RMT and Bots? YES SHURE *loool*
pussnheels
Viziam
#112 - 2011-10-13 09:00:12 UTC
my opinion
RMT is a problem but it isn't done on alliance level,if caught it would devastate any large alliance
it is probably done on individual level and or with a few individuals in some dark shadowy 2or 3 man corporations , and pretty damn hard to prove ingame

tho it seems less now than a year ever since the isk spammers in the market hubs were cleaned out together with a harder policy against rmt s , i could be mistaken tho

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Naran Eto
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#113 - 2011-10-13 09:56:19 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Remove local and the bots go away.





That's a 50/50 guess at best to be honest.

The way most of these bots work is by checking local and automatically warping and docking if someone appears in local who is not blue to them.

On the one hand you could say having no local leaves them open to being ganked.

But on the other hand you could say it helps them because they won't be having to deal with AFK cloakers and docking up all te time ruining their isk/hour.

It could swing either way.
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#114 - 2011-10-13 12:04:29 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
my opinion
RMT is a problem but it isn't done on alliance level,if caught it would devastate any large alliance
it is probably done on individual level and or with a few individuals in some dark shadowy 2or 3 man corporations , and pretty damn hard to prove ingame

tho it seems less now than a year ever since the isk spammers in the market hubs were cleaned out together with a harder policy against rmt s , i could be mistaken tho


I have the odd feeling that if ccp went full bore into this it would devistate most of the 0.0 alliances which is why they wont.
Suddenly destabilize most of 0.0? Given the success of DRF at stabilizing 0.0, I dont see this happening.

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#115 - 2011-10-13 13:00:48 UTC
Ban ALL 0.0 Coalitions

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#116 - 2011-10-13 13:20:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Kengutsi Akira
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Ban ALL 0.0 Coalitions


hell, hire an auditing firm for looking over the 0.0 coalitions' books
they already have an economist working on the in game economy, how it this idea unrealistic lol

though you do heave to point out at that...
they hired a economist then didnt consult with him/her about the prices of NeX stuff OR the effect nondestructable items may have on the in game market lol

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Apollo-Moor
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#117 - 2011-10-13 13:24:55 UTC
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:
Gogurt wrote:
RUSROG and Deopheel are liars

No, Sorry, it is an honest question.

I honestly do not know what RMT stands for and I am too lazy to go through all the forums to find out ...

So what is it ?


You realize how just about anything can be "Googled" or "Binked" right.. I think if ya go to Urban Dictionary or even Wiki you could find the answer you seem to be seeking.

Yes I know it takes more time for me to tell you this than to just outright tell you, but what would you learn then..
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#118 - 2011-10-13 13:39:34 UTC
CCP Zymurgist wrote:
RMT, Real Money Trading, is very much against the EULA. If you suspect anyone of participating in these activities please file a petition and report them to the GMs with any details you have.


No need to be Harvard graduate or whatever to see how many char's/ships/accounts/items are sold in the single E-bay, not even talking about all sites Eve related where you're spammed with ships to sell, isk, accounts etc etc.

Also: bots sell, dozens of sites, blogs or forums giving enough information about those and don't seem to be bothered.
Barakkus
#119 - 2011-10-13 13:52:02 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
my opinion
RMT is a problem but it isn't done on alliance level,if caught it would devastate any large alliance
it is probably done on individual level and or with a few individuals in some dark shadowy 2or 3 man corporations , and pretty damn hard to prove ingame

tho it seems less now than a year ever since the isk spammers in the market hubs were cleaned out together with a harder policy against rmt s , i could be mistaken tho


Actually it is, unfortunately it's hard to prove.

http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc
Shadowsword
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#120 - 2011-10-13 14:45:50 UTC
Naran Eto wrote:
That's a 50/50 guess at best to be honest.

The way most of these bots work is by checking local and automatically warping and docking if someone appears in local who is not blue to them.

On the one hand you could say having no local leaves them open to being ganked.

But on the other hand you could say it helps them because they won't be having to deal with AFK cloakers and docking up all te time ruining their isk/hour.

It could swing either way.


I suspect the bots would quickly adapt and use the directionnal scanner every 2 seconds. Might not be very goood for server performance. But then again, it might push CCP to more efforts in fighting RMT...