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A little rant about FW plexes
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RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#21 - 2012-08-15 01:22:07 UTC
A side question if you know:

What is the sec damage / standings damage if you kill them?

On Topic:

I hate seeing system after system of frigates in majors. Pilots I have never seen in comms or in fleets. Still, I don't shoot blues unless they come in the plex I'm doing and start burning at me. Leaches...
Dessau
The Scope
#22 - 2012-08-15 02:02:26 UTC
RavenPaine wrote:
A side question if you know:

What is the sec damage / standings damage if you kill them?

On Topic:

I hate seeing system after system of frigates in majors. Pilots I have never seen in comms or in fleets. Still, I don't shoot blues unless they come in the plex I'm doing and start burning at me. Leaches...

Might be calculating this wrong, but take a look at this thread. Now checking this pilot's killboard for that month, it looks like he went from 0.0 to -0.7410 by taking down one friendly Thrasher. It could be that the loss is derived from ship value, as it is (or was) elsewhere.

Or I could be doing this wrong.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#23 - 2012-08-15 04:23:21 UTC
Dessau wrote:
RavenPaine wrote:
A side question if you know:

What is the sec damage / standings damage if you kill them?

On Topic:

I hate seeing system after system of frigates in majors. Pilots I have never seen in comms or in fleets. Still, I don't shoot blues unless they come in the plex I'm doing and start burning at me. Leaches...

Might be calculating this wrong, but take a look at this thread. Now checking this pilot's killboard for that month, it looks like he went from 0.0 to -0.7410 by taking down one friendly Thrasher. It could be that the loss is derived from ship value, as it is (or was) elsewhere.

Or I could be doing this wrong.



That's a good (great) example, and close enough to what I was looking for, even if you did it wrong.

Thanks Dessau for the work there.
Koujjo Dian
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2012-08-16 01:07:26 UTC
Can only stealth bombers warp while cloaked or can any ship do it?
FeralShadow
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-08-16 04:20:17 UTC
Only bombers, recons (falcons, arazu, etc.) and covert ops (buzzard, cheetah etc.)

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Bado Sten
Republican Guard
Shadow Cartel
#26 - 2012-08-16 09:55:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Bado Sten
FeralShadow wrote:
Only bombers, recons (falcons, arazu, etc.) and covert ops (buzzard, cheetah etc.)


plus blockade runners and black-ops

/me hugs his Prowler
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
#27 - 2012-08-16 10:03:05 UTC
Bado Sten wrote:
FeralShadow wrote:
Only bombers, recons (falcons, arazu, etc.) and covert ops (buzzard, cheetah etc.)


plus blockade runners and black-ops

/me hugs his Prowler


- Black Ops; they can't warp cloaked.

+ Strategic Cruisers.

It is simpler to say "anything that can fit a Covert Ops Cloak", which I've heard includes some atypical Titan setups.
Koujjo Dian
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2012-08-16 13:21:01 UTC
Yeah I tried it with an executioner except I had a different strategy. I warped in knowing the farmer would run but I knew he would come back so I just cloaked up next to the button and waited. Sure enough he came back and I uncloaked and started orbiting him. Not sure if I would have caught him or not. It just takes too damn long for me to target anything after de-cloaking. But then my cloaking skill is only level 1. Will train it to level 4 and try again.
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#29 - 2012-08-16 14:19:55 UTC
Any kind of fix will have its own issues that may need to be addressed. That's why a hot fix now with refining in winter would be a great idea.
FeralShadow
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-08-16 20:00:08 UTC
good idea on the T1 ship inside cloaked, but yeah clock delay is a big deal then.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
DEADZER0
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-08-16 20:44:48 UTC
qq plwxing is pointless!

2 weeks later

qq plexing is to profitable
FeralShadow
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2012-08-18 02:37:58 UTC
Plexing was pointless. Now it is not. Plexing is not too profitable. It is too easy to farm without risk.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Alex Carmel
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#33 - 2012-08-18 03:17:04 UTC
Have the plex spawn elite frigs that scram/web near the player. Problem solved.
saucy jackass
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2012-08-18 14:31:03 UTC
Sensor boosted Arazu with faction point and recon lvl 4 minimum. Loki booster with interdiction link. Warp into plex lock and point the friggy from 80km away. That is a huge investment just to kill a t1 frigate though, lol.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#35 - 2012-08-18 14:54:07 UTC
plexing alts are fine. Those actually participate system control war, unlike most of those who want to use FW as free wardec.
Alex Carmel
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#36 - 2012-08-18 19:47:54 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
plexing alts are fine. Those actually participate system control war, unlike most of those who want to use FW as free wardec.


I don't think plexing alts are the problem. I think it's the Risk/Reward of the speed tanking super low-skill vigil (adjust according to faction) that are. You can get into a good one with a few days of training tops and as long as you can see the overview in a corner of your screen, you can always notice and warp out if someone gets in the plex. They've got to burn ~50-100k to point you. You align in 3-4 seconds.

A plex should require some fighting or have the LP reward scaled somehow. I happen to think that a few elite frigs with scram/point/web/target painters can solve this problem. Now mr. plex alt would need to pay more attention and actually fit guns / missiles. Dual webbed vigil is a dead vigil. This would be perfectly in keeping with how most of the other PvE content works.
Esruc 'Sadim
Lazaretto
#37 - 2012-08-18 20:23:50 UTC
A warning to the OP, this will **** you off.

I just rolled this character to join FW on the Gallente front. I'm doing it purely to game the system. I don't plan to grind plexes full time, I just want a navy comet and some good faction mods/plugs for my other character. The problem is that I literally know nothing about the FW. Do any of the trolls and flamers of this post (jk) have advice or suggestions for speed farming plexes in mini frigs? Also, nething else I should know b4 jumping into this?

Insert something witty and clever here
FeralShadow
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2012-08-19 01:37:45 UTC
You can alt farm plexes all day long. Why else would they have minor plexes there? It simply shouldn't be as safe as it is now.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#39 - 2012-08-19 09:37:41 UTC
Alex Carmel wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
plexing alts are fine. Those actually participate system control war, unlike most of those who want to use FW as free wardec.


I don't think plexing alts are the problem. I think it's the Risk/Reward of the speed tanking super low-skill vigil (adjust according to faction) that are. You can get into a good one with a few days of training tops and as long as you can see the overview in a corner of your screen, you can always notice and warp out if someone gets in the plex. They've got to burn ~50-100k to point you. You align in 3-4 seconds.

A plex should require some fighting or have the LP reward scaled somehow. I happen to think that a few elite frigs with scram/point/web/target painters can solve this problem. Now mr. plex alt would need to pay more attention and actually fit guns / missiles. Dual webbed vigil is a dead vigil. This would be perfectly in keeping with how most of the other PvE content works.


Your faction is rewarding you from helping to invading enemy systems, there could be no better reason to give lp, no matter if it easy or not.
FeralShadow
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2012-08-19 17:37:04 UTC
Perhaps it makes some sense from a roleplaying perspective, but from a gameplay perspective it doesn't make much sense at all.

And if you want to take it that far, I could easily argue that since you're not killing any of the NPC's, that as soon as you leave, they just re-capture the base since they are still right there after all.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
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