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How many EVE gamers are from the United States?
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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-08-15 11:10:31 UTC
Akita T wrote:
...which is pretty damn strong as far as USA player totals go, more than one third of the playerbase, more than double of any other nation, and more than every smaller-than-2% nation combined.


Not really a relevant comparesion you are just showing that the biggest country has the most players, not really a big surprise.

The number should either be the EU population compared to the US, which was how the OP stated the difference, or the percentage should be in relation to population of that country.

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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#22 - 2012-08-15 12:33:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
dexington wrote:
Not really a relevant comparesion you are just showing that the biggest country has the most players, not really a big surprise.
The number should either be the EU population compared to the US, which was how the OP stated the difference, or the percentage should be in relation to population of that country.


USA population ~312 mil, EVE subs 37% (~8.4 mil per percentage point) - no localization needed
UK population ~62 mil, EVE subs 14% (~4.4 mil per percentage point) - no localization needed
Germany population ~82 mil, EVE subs 8% (~10 mil per percentage point) - localization available NOW, allegedly of decent quality, but a lot of people know English decently anyway
France population ~65 mil, EVE subs ~2.5% (~26 mil per percentage point) - localization NOT available and English is not in very high regard
Russia population ~142 mil, EVE subs ~5.5% (~26 mil per percentage point) - localization available NOW, but of questionable accuracy, English a bit more difficult to learn for a slavic language speaker
Sweden population ~9.5 mil, EVE subs ~2.3% (~4.1 mil per percentage point) - localization not available but unlikely to be needed due to most population being sufficiently proficient in English
Norway population ~5 mil, EVE subs ~1.43% (~3.5 mil per percentage point) - similar to Sweden
Finland population ~5 mil, EVE subs ~1.05% (~5 mil per percentage point) - similar to Swe/Nor, but English a bit more difficult for a native speaker of finno-hungric languages
Netherlands population ~16.5 mil, EVE subs ~2.3% (~7 mil per percentage point) - localization not available but less likely to be needed due to a significant percentage of the population being proficient in English
Belgium population ~11 mil, EVE subs ~0.75% (~15 mil per percentage point) - theoretically same situation as the Netherlands, but apparently not really
Romania population ~21.5 mil, EVE subs ~0.67% (~32 mil per percentage point) - no localization and somewhat lower standard of living compared to any of the previous countries, even if theoretically English is taught in school and you'd expect people to want to use it on the Internet, its popularity is in decline lately
Spain population ~47 mil, EVE subs ~0.59% (~80 mil per percentage point) - no localization, and English is not a very popular language in Spain compared to other parts in the EU
Brazil population ~197 mil, EVE subs ~0.31% (~635 mil per percentage point) - no localization, English not very popular, and also noticeably lower standard of living and/or access to the Internet

NOTE : demographics data used above is nearly 5 years old. Let me search for a bit newer data.
( http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=562 )

Newer demographics data...
( http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28529 )

USA from ~37% goes to ~36% (negligible change, still around 8.4 mil people per percentage point of eve subs)
UK from ~14% to ~10% (a major decrease, putting it at 6 mil per percentage point, still above USA but with a lesser lead)
Germany from ~8% to ~9.5% (a slight increase, POSSIBLY because of localization, up to 8.6 mil per percentage point, almost on par with USA as far as popularity goes)
France from ~2.5% to 2%, an actual decline percentage-wise - probably not as far as absolute numbers go, however (up to ~32mppp, so LESS popular than before)
Russia from ~5.5% to 9.6%, a pretty big increase in spite of a questionable localization (still only ~15 mil per percentage point, so not extremely popular, but still better than other areas, like, oh, France)
Sweden down to ~1.67% (~5.7mppp), Norway down to ~1.22% (~4mppp), Finland down to ~0.93% (~5mppp), still more popular than most other areas.
Netherlands down to ~1.91% (~8.6mppp), which means it's now slightly less popular than in the USA)
Spain drops to ~0.57% or a negligible change, Romania climbs to ~0.68% or also a negligible change, etc

Some things changed in the past 5 years, but nothing too radical.

And yeah, localization does seem to make a difference, even if not very much, but enough to shift popularity closer to the averages.
Oh well, all we CAN say for sure EVE is fairly popular in most countries where English is an important language (except India, heh) and not so popular in those that have no localization.

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Dorian Tormak
RBON United
#23 - 2012-08-15 12:45:42 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Lilianna Star wrote:
American MMO gamers can't deal with failure.

Yeah when people say MMO in context to the industry they are talking about Wow and its 600 Clones.

That little tiny chuck of the industry where EVE and games like EVE are, they are for context to their meaning "MMO's" in name only.

We're the dark back alley of the industry. The people they are talking about hang out in that sunny park over there.

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Jim Era
#24 - 2012-08-15 14:50:35 UTC
OP you are severely ill informed.

Wat™
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#25 - 2012-08-15 15:03:53 UTC
Lilianna Star wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Lilianna Star wrote:
Out of respect I won't say who said it



Made it up, gotcha.



Fine, here you go.

To be honest I am a little offended.



You wouldn't have to be if you had simply posted the sources the first time, that was your own fault.

So here's to answer your question(s):

First of all, learn the definition of Tongue-in-cheek. It is used often throughout that entire article and you appear to have done the exact opposite of its meaning.

2nd You adjusted it from gamer to mmo gamer. If you would be so kind, please take a look at this list and show us how many mmo's this guy has worked on.

3, you seem to have made the classic fallacy of grouping everybody as a whole, but as Alara pointed out you put a bit of a hate boner on the whole spin so I'm thinking this was intentional just to get a rise out of players. But since players are unique, you will get a percentage who can handle failure*. In this case I was going to pull up Akita's stats and show that not only do many Americans play eve and can handle failures*, we appear to make up almost %40 of the player base. On top of that, several of the largest alliances in the game are led by or co-led by Americans.

4. You took the word of one man's opinion and made it fact. This is also a common problem with internet users. Now had you provided a national study (with sholastic links, not wikipedia) providing the same information all of this may be a tad bit more credible.

To answer your question on a personal level, I came back after a break because I found other mmo's to be too easy and mindless.

*We still have yet to classify what failure even means in eve. Is it a loss of a ship/structure/corporation? Is it not being able to complete a mission (couldn't keep a straight face on that one)? Is it not being at a comparative competitive level against other players?

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Blane Xero
The Firestorm Cartel
#26 - 2012-08-15 15:16:47 UTC
Thread is under the misconception that it is a phenomenon limited to Americans. It's mostly just people with a higher sense of entitlement in general, not geographical location based. It just is more pronounced in America due to sample size.

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#27 - 2012-08-15 15:32:57 UTC
Lilianna Star wrote:
Punishing players for failure is a problem among American gamers.

Umm...no. Seeing as we were the driving market behind the evolution of video games in the 80s and 90s, I'd suggest that the "dumbing down" of games came as the international market gained a foothold.

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#28 - 2012-08-15 15:49:29 UTC
[quote=Lilianna Star]Fine, here you go./quote]

"Students aren't exposed to the idea of academic failure until they reach 17 and begin applying for colleges."

I guess he didn't go to the same public schools I did. Because where I come from, failure results in additional work, denial of privileges, and loss of extracurricular activities. There are a lot of kids who only pass in school because they can't play the sport of their choice if they don't.

"Finally he points out that Americans tend to have a limited knowledge of world history due to the way the subject is taught in US schools."

Quote:
He then summarized his presentation with six tips on how to sell games to American online gamers:


  1. Craft the opening minutes to hold attention.
  2. Use a simple, clear interface.
  3. Minimize text: show, don't tell in tutorials.
  4. The player is a celebrity, give them unique customization.
  5. Recognize that we're in the queue and the user is the master.
  6. History rarely sells and is often unknown


1) That's the approach with ALL media: TV shows have to have good pilots. Movies have to have engaging opening sequences. Books have to grab your attention in the first chapter. It's about immersing you in the content so that you want to see where it goes.

2) In an increasingly diverse market, this means less translation and fewer potential cultural misunderstandings. Also, the alternative to a "simple, clear interface" is a "cluttered, confusing interface." Why would you EVER favor the latter?

3) See the first part of #2, and then realize that most people learn better by doing than being told how to do. Half-Life's tutorial is a great example of doing it right.

4) Why do I have to be "a celebrity" to enjoy making my character look how I want? The "make your avatar" minigame is simply a part of the narrative.

5) The user is the CUSTOMER, and you want them to buy your stuff. So make stuff they want to buy.

6) This...doesn't even make sense.

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Serria Mau
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2012-08-15 16:55:07 UTC
So, assuming the OP is actually from the United Kingdoms; you are an excellent example of how the people of cultures are diverse. Such as you're the portion of the UK which thinks the Euro is the only real currency, like very few people in the United States believe the dollar is the only real currency.

Not literally by the way, but hopefully you're bright enough to get the point.

Not everyone is a bigot in the United States, similar to how not everyone is a bigot in the United Kingdoms. There are just a few, like you.

And you, the bigot, are the people who make some stereotypes. Luckily before now however the bigots in the United Kingdoms for some reason were smart enough to keep quiet, in contrast to the American.

- Mau
Blane Xero
The Firestorm Cartel
#30 - 2012-08-15 17:00:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Blane Xero
Serria Mau wrote:
So, assuming the OP is actually from the United Kingdoms; you are an excellent example of how the people of cultures are diverse. Such as you're the portion of the UK which thinks the Euro is the only real currency, like very few people in the United States believe the dollar is the only real currency.

Not literally by the way, but hopefully you're bright enough to get the point.

Not everyone is a bigot in the United States, similar to how not everyone is a bigot in the United Kingdoms. There are just a few, like you.

And you, the bigot, are the people who make some stereotypes. Luckily before now however the bigots in the United Kingdoms for some reason were smart enough to keep quiet, in contrast to the American.

- Mau

You really shouldn't tear into someone if you refer to the United Kingdom as/in plural.


Ninja edit because I'm not sure whether to use as or in, so I'll use both and damn those who would correct me, I'm tired and prepping for 8 hours of rickety backwater bus routing tomorrow.

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Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-08-15 17:11:16 UTC
Lilianna Star wrote:
Marie Hartinez wrote:
Seriously, what problem?


Punishing players for failure is a problem among American gamers. Same with forcing gamers to read and providing anything but the most well designed and easy to use interface. European gamers can take it though.

Well that's true, we don't like to read much. Anything after the first two sentences will be ignored. A lot of court orders, death sentence pardons, nuclear reactor operations manuals, etc. just get stamped "TL;DR."
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#32 - 2012-08-15 17:29:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Am I to understand that you are calling pistol packing, war mongering, fire and brimstone bible thumping, filling up the prisons, road raging, hate group creating, kill you for wearing the wrong colors Americans a bunch of carebears?

Lol That belongs in somebody's sig.
Domer Pyle
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-08-16 04:50:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Domer Pyle
Ameri**** reporting in.

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Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
#34 - 2012-08-16 04:51:59 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:

You wouldn't have to be if you had simply posted the sources the first time, that was your own fault.


I still would have preferred not to. I just hate it when people call me a liar. I did nothing to deserve being called a liar.
Elias Greyhand
#35 - 2012-08-16 07:30:47 UTC
Lilianna Star wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:

You wouldn't have to be if you had simply posted the sources the first time, that was your own fault.


I still would have preferred not to. I just hate it when people call me a liar. I did nothing to deserve being called a liar.


THis is the InterWebz, it happens.

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#36 - 2012-08-16 07:46:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
Shameless Avenger wrote:

Don Daglow? He worked a decade for EA. That alone makes him irrelevant.
This, seriously.

I've been following all the crud coming out of EA and ex-EA people for some time, and it has really sunk to brain cell debilitating lows. Just spewing out spiel as if they have cornered the market them and their armies of psychologists. Yet they can't even fix their hemorrhaging of subs from their existing fail games. EA has gone quite mad.
Just disregard.

I'm in it for the money

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Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#37 - 2012-08-16 08:19:26 UTC
Now, while I don't mind making fun of Americans being the drooling idiots that they (and myself being a European, therefore the master race!) but this guy just ruined trolling Americans for me... Sad

He hasn't been relevant for over a decade so I am not sure why he would be now.

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#38 - 2012-08-16 14:08:41 UTC
Lilianna Star wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:

You wouldn't have to be if you had simply posted the sources the first time, that was your own fault.


I still would have preferred not to. I just hate it when people call me a liar. I did nothing to deserve being called a liar.



This is why citing sources is beneficial, and now you know.

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Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
#39 - 2012-08-16 17:31:49 UTC
I've been on the internet long enough to know when citing sources will just lead off topic into bashing the source itself (He's from EA lolololol). And it did.

I just wish people could take the premise on its own merits instead of begging for a source.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#40 - 2012-08-16 18:02:30 UTC
Lilianna Star wrote:
I've been on the internet long enough to know when citing sources will just lead off topic into bashing the source itself (He's from EA lolololol). And it did.

I just wish people could take the premise on its own merits instead of begging for a source.



Cite a bad source, get a bad response.

And people like that are usually referred to as Gullible.

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