Science & Industry

Exactly the point with, supply and demand. As people notice what you noticed, null sec miners will come down to high sec and start mining veld. ABc ore supply will drop, demand stays the same, so prices will rise.

Because over the last few months more and more people have started mining in null/wh. More supply means less demand means less value. You want prices to go up, start hunting miners in null.


There is far far more risk with highsec mining vs null sec. Everyone knows this.




I don't understand how you consider the drone nerf which removed an easy source of null sec minerals from the game some how made null sec mins less valuable.





High sec requires your full attention on local, yet you have no clue who to watch out for; where as null you see anything not corp/alliance you get safe. Null has POS's to safe up to/store ores, rorquals, controlled space to easily protect ops/miners, and so on and so on.

More people have realized over the last few months how much safer Null is for mining that the market is over saturated, that and I'm assuming the Russians in the drone region switched from rat botting to bot mining.

that is a crappy fix, if you want to make HS mineral money go to hs HTFU

/facepalm.

Thats the point.



Even if they were 25% more valuable then ABC, 0.0 miners mining to sell the minerals in highsec would continue to mine the ABC simply due to the immense volume of trit that makes export non viable. That's the point I was making I think we have already determined your reading comprehension is crippled.

Welcome to a supply and demand marketplace.

If you want to know what something is worth before starting, run missions.

Can somebody please write a song called "I can't make it nerf the game" how is it that a as a lone carebear I am making it, how, I took the time to plan and ask and skill, and stay away from what doesn't work for me, I can fly almost all industrials, almost all caldari ships and cross trained for others, do research, mission, mine, explore, trade, Cosmo, build, planning, going to other area's that others don't to find farming opportunities, not bragging just wondering how others cry so much I have tons of competition but it boils down to planning.

ummm . . . really? you know that the drone metals were a huge source of high ends right?

did you see what happened to the high ends (zyd/mega) when the drone metals went away? they shot way up!

The only reason the high ends are so cheap now is that the low ends are so expensive, so production is slowed. This was caused partly by hulkageddon and partly by the nerfing of the meta 0 drops.

Hulkageddon should be over with the advent of the new mining barges, so we'll see what happens.

Once you built it, you'd still have to sell it. Manufacturing slots are not the only problem.

Null sec has resources, but no infrastructure.

You think Nullbears will take on some risk by mining in Empire? Even with the barge buffs? Doubtful but possible.

Because it's not worth it.
Nullsec logistic is extremly different from highsec logistic.
In highsec, no matter what and where you mine, you can easily refine it in a 50% refinery station and move it in freighters to the market hub. Or freight it to the station with 50 manufacturing slots and use it there, then freight it to the market hub. The only thing that will stop mining in a highsec system will be depleting all the belts, and even then, it comes back a few days later.

Nullsec works quite differently. First, freighters dont do too well there. This turns any distance between mining systems/refinery systems/production systems/market systems much, much more troublesome.
The system in which you mine is, like all of nullsec, vulnerable to any hostile intruder. There are ways to protect yourself (intel channel, bubbling gates, etc), but ultimately, if an hostile had logged off his interceptor in the gravimetric site you're using, you're probably ****** (unless you watched local like a hawk and were already aligned). And when hostiles knows where you mine, you better get used to cloaked neuts, because they'll always be there, forcing you to move and mine in another system (until the industrial index of that one gets up too and the cloaky neuts follows).

Then you have to move that ore you mined to an upgraded refinery station. As said before, freighters are KIND OF out of their element in nullsec, rorquals and JFs must do the job, at a much slower rate, and a much higher cost. 50% refinery upgrade being stupidely expensive, most stations are limited to 40%, putting a higher skill ceiling for perfect refinery.

Then you have to move your ore to a POS or a station with enough manufacturing slots. The bests, Amarr outpostss got an average of 20 or so, I think. That means moving your minerals one more time, or having a POS set up with all the cost and individual risk that comes with it.

Then once the manufacturing is done, the product shall be moved to the regional market hub, often a gallente station. Yet more hauling.

All these steps must be done with rorquals or JF, reaching only a quarter or half of a freighters capacity, and requiring cynos, fuel and proper scouting. That is a lot of hauling, and a lot of costs to do it with just tritanium and pyerite.

TL; DR: nullsec industry is too aweful to be self sufficient or export low-end minerals to highsec.