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State of TVP (An open letter to TVP managment)

Author
Keith Planck
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-08-12 07:49:26 UTC
To: Nomatech, Serge SC, DaiseyCutter, via TVP FC Mailing list
Subject: State of TVP

Good evening fellow FCs and Valhalla Operators The past few weeks have been ripe with drama and change. ISN’s three mothership fleets, the mass banning of players, the internal structural changes within TVP and Valhallas leadership issues have all been weighing heavily on many of us. Opinions differ vastly on many of these issues, and tempers have flared over how to react. Unless we attempt to solve these issues, Valhalla will suffer. This mail is intended to address some of these concerns, as we believe problems are amassing, and threatening the wellbeing of
Valhalla.

Since Escalation, DaiseyCutter, Nomatech, and Serge SC have been nominally running Valhalla, with bits of additional support. Post Escalation, Valhalla has grown tremendously, with pilots, FCs, and everyone in between wanting to join us and help us build. We have seen our community flourish, having grown to be larger than BTL at almost all times of the day. As the community has grown, so too has the demands on leadership. Instead of matching pace, TVPs leadership and moderation capability has shrunk. Instead of acknowledging their flaws and working with fellow FCs, council members have instead resorted to insults and misdirection. In place of discussing the different opinions people have, they have resorted to dictatorial rule, abusing the trust we place in them as members of the FC Council. This cannot continue. As such, we propose an overhaul of the political process for Valhalla, so that we may avoid such issues in the future.

Operators: Their Successes, Their Failures
Foremost of our concerns is the lack of any codified process to help run Valhalla, and the prolonged problems we have with current leaders. As our channel has grown, its needs grow too. Its political structures, and the leaders involved have not kept pace. The leaders in power have become slowly isolated from the community they run, be it through vacation or active isolation.

Nomatech ran Valhalla for a month while Serge and Daisey were on vacation, with little success. His actions prior to the other operators vacations worsened the situation. He was unable to come to terms with new opinions, refused to share information during crisis, and was a little too happy to use the banhammer against people who disagreed. Outside events such as his OGB kill did not help this progression. His rule saw the diplomatic failures with relation to ISN, mass bannings on an unheard of scale, and information control akin to a police state. Many of these traits are still present today.

Most of us supported his rise to leadership during the CID era, as a refreshing breath of sanity amid some chaotic times. He was calm, composed, knew how to run fleets well, and wasn’t easily swayed by the semantics thrown around then. Since then, his leadership has steadily degraded, where he casually throws around words like “Griefer,” never releases information about policy or internal/external affairs, shoots down new ideas for the community without proper discussion, and rules with an iron fist akin to a tyrannical dictator, instead of a democratically elected leader. He now is rarely seen, only reinforcing perceptions. Given his actions past and present, he is no longer fit to be a member of Valhalla leadership, and must be removed.

Serge SC has always been a fun, but chaotic person. These make him a wonderful person to fly with, and a great FC. But these are not qualities you want out of a leader. He reacts to emotionally, cannot give concise answers to political questions, and consistently ignores problems instead of facing them. These traits combine in the worst ways when he is tasked with political problems, as unclear direction and poor delegation of powers results. This is no way to run a channel.

Serge SC is a wonderful person. He’s funny, charming, charismatic, and runs fleets remarkably well. He single handedly started the HQ community with The Singing FC, and then Valhalla. Everyone we know loves him as a person, and as a well respected member of the community. The community would simply not be what it is without him. But as important to our history as he is, he is simply not fit for leadership anymore. Some people are not meant to run things, as famous and great as they are.

DaiseyCutter is the glue holding this tangled web together. He has saved our community countless times. Since his return a week ago, we have all breathed a sigh of relief. Yet instead of having true review of the leadership, he has escalated prior leadership policy, further insulating the leadership from change. Despite acknowledging the flaws of the current process, he has insisted current leaders will stay. He has openly stated that problems exist, but vividly denies political process is one of them.

DaiseyCutter is a brilliant person. He’s always willing to talk, has the patience to deal with diplomacy, and is in recent times been a beacon of sanity amid the questionable actions of the other members of the FC council. His absence in recent weeks is most regretted, and we hope he resumes activity in the future. But his past lack of actions are as unfortunate as his support for failed policy. His failure to help the FC council reach a diplomatic solution to ISN, his inability to hold Nomatech or Serge SC accountable, and his overt support for continued operator stuffing must be taken into account.

The Council has furthermore aggravated many of these problem by adding Landogana Kelik to the Council and effective leadership, with little community input. His own actions did not help, as he seems more like a “yes man” than an actual opinion. The public statements he has made as an operator feel like he prefers lashing out over true discussion. His private statements have not helped matters either.
Keith Planck
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-08-12 07:49:43 UTC
Lando is a wonderful FC, with lots of talent. He is fairly calm, brilliant with interpreting site mechanics, and overall a nice guy. But his emotional responses combined with an inability to accept new opinions leaves us with a feeling of getting the worst of all worlds. His appointment to the Council lacked any legitimacy, and he has only reinforced opinions that he is a lackey for Nomatech. As such, we feel he has no place among the channel leadership.

What Needs to be Changed
We have detailed the events leading up to this mail. We have detailed the actions the FC council has taken to warrant urgent action. We have detailed why Valhalla is spiraling downward, and the problems. We now come to what we believe must change, to restore Valhalla to the all-inclusive community it is.

The FC council members as is are unfit run Valhalla. All four members of the council have lost touch with reality. It is unfortunate that such extreme actions must be taken to fix this situation, but their actions are inexcusable. We humbly request Nomatech’s, Serge SC’s, and Landogana Kelik’s immediate resignation from the FC Council, and forfeiting of operator rights in TVP. We also request DaiseyCutter officially resign, but retain operator rights in the interim. In the case of Serge SC, we request he cease and desist using all operator powers, and that he not interfere with further operator assignments unless absolutely necessary.

The FC council, and Valhalla overall needs a codified process of governance, to avoid future conflicts, and to allow a more official means of removing leaders who fail in their task of leading. To that end, we propose that the FC council be renamed simply “The Council.” Its 5 positions will now be subject to elections among the FCs and LCs every 6 months, requiring a majority vote among the FCs and LCs. Furthermore, we wish to ensure timezone and secondary profession dispersion. Our intent behind including LCs is to broaden political representation, while ensuring that the people who actively lead in fleets contribute the most. Additionally, we propose that there be 6 moderators for TVP. These moderators will have rights to operator status within TVP, and will be responsible for maintenance of channel moderation, ban lists, as well as channel MOTD updating.

These 11 electable positions are to be put up for immediate election, with elections lasting up to two weeks. During this transition time, we propose DaiseyCutter be named interim leader until a council and moderators have been elected. Despite recent events, we believe Daisey can maintain neutrality in this situation.

Full proposed by-laws are linked here: TVP bylaws. Comments, concerns, and other feedback on the proposed structure are welcome. The idea behind this is to build a true infrastructure behind TVP, one that can survive both the good and the bad. We are still working on numerous ideas to tinker, but we wish the overall bylaws to be short and fairly simple. The document is not meant to go over a few pages unless absolutely necessary.

TVP is an open community, one where all should be welcome to express their opinions. By extension, we hope this letter has not broken anyone's faith in TVP, or EVE. It is our intent to have meaningful discussion and progress, not to alienate anyone. Nothing happens in the world without action, and we hope you will come to join us through the discussions to follow. We are entering interesting times for incursions, and have a unique opportunity upon ourselves. We hope we use it wisely.

Sincerely,

MrWacko, Pro Engineer, Kranky, Shiro Ookami
Keith Planck
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-08-12 08:17:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Keith Planck
MrWacko: Banned From TVP, 2 EvE Online Accounts Banned for elulu Violations
Pro Engineer: ???
Kranky: Banned From TVP
Shiro Ookami: Taken off TVP FC List
Ragnaarak: Banned From TVP
Ragnaarak
Untied Dysleckticks
#4 - 2012-08-12 08:17:16 UTC
Apart from some minor details that I have discussed with Planck I have decided to throw my full support behind Kranny, Wacko, Shiro and Pro Engineer.
Originally my stance was more neutral with a desire to see some changes to how TVP was being run.......however since Daisy has waved the ban hammer at me I will now throw my weight behind Kranny etc.
I hope that pilots that enjoy my FC'ing style will look me up and fly with me in the near future.

Salute
Ragnaarak
Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-08-12 09:56:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Sjugar
What's TVP ?
After reading up a bit, isn't TVP some kind of reincarnation of BTL ?
They were all full of politics, you can't do this you get banned for that.... etc. etc. etc. while most of the people were just there to make ISK.
And Kranny, while always very vocal, was more busy kissing up to "higher management" then actually being usefull.

ISN however focused more on what incursions are about: making isk.

Btw Keith or shall I call you Darius?
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#6 - 2012-08-12 10:31:00 UTC
This
is
hilarious
Derath Ellecon
Lotek Academy
#7 - 2012-08-12 12:13:02 UTC
Open letters are gay.
Vico Hur
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-08-12 15:47:34 UTC
A few months ago i flew with a ISN Fleet for two or three sites. Still banned from the TVP Public channel as of a few days back.

Quote:
W-w-w-w-we didn't want your Battleships anyway!
Keith Planck
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-08-12 18:43:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Keith Planck
Vico Hur wrote:
A few months ago i flew with a ISN Fleet for two or three sites. Still banned from the TVP Public channel as of a few days back.

Quote:
W-w-w-w-we didn't want your Battleships anyway!


Unbans from TVP
From: Kodavor
Sent: 2012.08.12 10:21
To: ISN Primary,

Pilots who were banned from TVP because they took part in ISN mom fleets can be unbaned by sending a private mail to DaiseyCutter .

ISM Management .
Travis117
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#10 - 2012-08-12 19:23:31 UTC
This should become a soap opera:P "Incursions of EVE"

Anyways i do fly with tvp time to time i think its funny all this drama. Isnt tvp all about having fun and making isk?
Travis117
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#11 - 2012-08-12 19:24:23 UTC
Keith Planck wrote:
MrWacko: Banned From TVP, 2 EvE Online Accounts Banned for elulu Violations
Pro Engineer: ???
Kranky: Banned From TVP
Shiro Ookami: Taken off TVP FC List
Ragnaarak: Banned From TVP



they banned pro engineer?
Keith Planck
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-08-12 19:43:19 UTC
Travis117 wrote:
Keith Planck wrote:
MrWacko: Banned From TVP, 2 EvE Online Accounts Banned for elulu Violations
Pro Engineer: ???
Kranky: Banned From TVP
Shiro Ookami: Taken off TVP FC List
Ragnaarak: Banned From TVP



they banned pro engineer?


??? means we dont know whats going to happen yet
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#13 - 2012-08-13 02:16:45 UTC
Oh my...

thhief ghabmoef

Keith Planck
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-08-13 02:24:50 UTC
Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:
Oh my...


...is an understatement!
Pipa Porto
#15 - 2012-08-13 05:22:48 UTC
Ammzi wrote:
This
is
hilarious


Who knew being friends with other people would get you banned from Carebear groups, huh?

It's wonderful hearing how much discord they can sew among themselves without any outside help.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto

Keith Planck
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-08-13 06:00:50 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Ammzi wrote:
This
is
hilarious


Who knew being friends with other people would get you banned from Carebear groups, huh?

It's wonderful hearing how much discord they can sew among themselves without any outside help.


http://i.imgur.com/Dm0Gt.jpg

^^^
Drac Dragnog
Scope Industries
#17 - 2012-08-15 22:58:20 UTC
Heres an answer, retrain Armor, Join TDF and Born Ara.
One Word: MINE. :)  (If you are reading this, please go back up, and check, you are probably being trolled.)
Keith Planck
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-08-16 00:36:37 UTC
Ammzi wrote:
This
is
hilarious


ammzi, harendotes, krissada have stolen the ditanian fleet channel from lord galrton by deceit ..close the channel as its unsafe atm we will be using TDF. (dont forget the dot)

AMMZI WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN DOING!
Elindreal
Planetary Interactors
#19 - 2012-08-16 02:34:32 UTC
I don't understand...
there's drama?
in incursions?

Yatama Kautsuo
Tencus
#20 - 2012-08-16 16:13:50 UTC
Elindreal wrote:
I don't understand...
there's drama?
in incursions?



i also find tvp rather balanced... as terran i am more worried about zerg Ugh
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