Ships & Modules

I've been running into a lot of Firetails fitted with TDs in minor plexes lately and am somewhat at a loss as to how to counter them. I guess a tracking computer is the answer? I kinda hate to fit one because mid slots on Amarr ships are somewhat rare. Any other options?

a web works best for landing hits while TD'd

I was mostly concerned with brawling but it looks as though whatever I fly it HAS to have at least 3 mids. As Amarr that pretty well limits me to the Tormentor or maybe the Executioner. So far I'm not overly impressed with the executioner, at least not for brawling other frigates. Ok thanks.

hmmmm what Amarr frigate has 3 mids and uses missiles????? I wonder

Vengance.

Yeah, that's a good way to prevent Firetails with TDs from ever bothering to fight you, if they're getting too annoying :-)

But T2 frigs can't get into minor FW plexes. OP will have to wait for the new Inquisitor or Crucifier.



It has two mids. The only pre-tiericide T1 Amarr frigate with 3 mids is the Crucifier. Everything else had 2 or 1 (Magnate, Tormentor). Apart from the Cruor and Succubus.

Tiericide has given us a 4/3/3 Executioner and a 3/3/4 Tormentor, and will give us a 3-mid Magnate. I kinda hope that the new Inquisitor will retain 2 mids, to keep the Punisher company.

I never realized how "rock, paper, scissors" this game was. Seems like every time I adapt my fit to counter a ship type it slams the door shut on 5 other ship types. It's like I'm always bringing a knife to a gun fight. Also I realize missiles is and easy fix to the problem but I don't want to scare away all my targets by flying a missile ship. Same reason I don't just say "to hell with frigates" and fly a destroyer. Honestly this game makes my head hurt sometimes.

It's easier in a gang. Think about Thrasher vs. Executioner + Crucifier. Or Firetail (TD) + Thrasher vs. Slicer + Slicer. Or Thorax + Jaguar + Thrasher + Thrasher + Rifter + Rifter vs. Arbitrator (3xTD) + Caracal. Or Thrasher + Coercer + Legion (off-grid boosting) vs. Slicer + Coercer + Crucifier + Crucifier. Or Falcon + Slicer vs. Hookbill + Arbitrator.

Add one person and coordination becomes more important than stressing about what your ship counters. Like, that last example ended in a stalemate only because I was the Arbitrator and I flew really poorly: the Falcon missed a jam and I didn't apply to neuts to it because I was in a "well I'm jammed so obviously there's nothing I can do here but keep replacing my drones" funk and wasn't in range; I also didn't have ECM drones, or have them trained. Or in two Slicers vs. TD Firetail and Thrasher, obviously the Slicers should both try to kite and burn down the Firetail - one of them will succeed. But going into it, the Thrasher is the scarier ship, only the Slicer that's getting TD'd might know that the Firetail has one, the Thrasher might have arty and overheat his MWD away to try and one-shot whichever Slicer lagged behind, the Firetail might try to sling a clumsy orbiting Slicer (more concerned about not getting slung into the Firetail's scram) into the Thrasher's scram, etc. Or in the Legion boosting fight, for like a full minute I (in the Slicer) and the Coercer split damage, while the enemy struggled to kill a Crucifier. If we hadn't corrected that, the fight would've dragged on, they might've killed some of the EWAR, the enemy Coercer might've burned me down in like 5 seconds...

Best counter for a TD? Afterburner.

Or, you know, equip obscene amounts of tracking.

Or go for some ECM/ECM Drones.

Or, situationally, apply target damping.

Or fly parallel vectors so tracking doesn't matter.

Or be faster and bump your target.

Or have a buddy shoot them.

...or, I guess, use missiles. If you're boring.