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Destriouth Hollow
Star-Destroying-Warlords
#1 - 2012-08-15 00:37:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Destriouth Hollow
MY OFFER IS OPEN AGAIN
(people who already received or accepted my offers will of course keep my support)

Especially for people living in low/00 with taxes of 2% or lower, as here the profit goes into interesting amounts.
If you are one of those people, I will make you happy (:.


0.1 Introduction:
This post is aimed at everybody who wants to make maximum ISK out of his/her account with minimal work effort using PI (Planetary Interaction).
Everything is for free until you want to do the final step.
So feel free to claim your possible personal profit-information.
Doesn't cost a thing until you want to know details (:
Just mail me here or ingame.

0.2: About me:
Hallo dear Eve-Online-Community.
My name is Destriouth Hollow and im currently studying mathematics in germany. After my year-long search for a game that is complex enough to satisfy my needs I finally found Eve.
Im relatively new to the game (about 1 month). Therefore I am not jet able to use all the information i took out of the game myself. I depict myself as trustworthy to the very core. I detest liars + scammers and would like to see them punished all day long until they learn.

0.3: Why do I post here?
Over the last 3 days i analyzed planetary interaction and wrote an automated program that can spit out the optimal planet-setup for each character, depending on his individual character-setup. I'm hereby selling the produced information. this god damn program took over 20 hours of coding and I refuse to let that be in vain!
It started out as a program to tell me how i want to setup my own planets, but as usually when i start something and as you can see: I heavily overdid it (:
My current skillpoints + my current corp do not support abusing the data myself.
But since I still want to to make some ISK of it: I will be selling it to other players instead. Itwould be too much for a single character or corp to handle anyway (:

1. What information do I need from you?
The Setup of your Character:
- Skill-Levels: Command Center Upgrades, Interplanetary Consolidation, Remote Sensing, Planetology, Advanced Planetology
- Volume your biggest ship is able to haul in m³
- Tax-Rate you have to pay on your planets Custom Office (10% for High sec) etc
- Area you would like to work in (I cant make sure that the optimal gain can happen in your wish-system though)
- The kind of contract you want to have with me (see 2.1-2.3)

2. What do you get from me?
- I will tell you how much ISK you can make with the most profitable setup for you on a day/week/month
- I am 99,9% sure you can NOT make more ISK with PI any other way but by using information i suggest.
- The Setup I will suggest will be possible using minimum work (at best only a couple of minutes every few days/weeks.
- It is possible to subscribe and reserve the given setup just for you and your friends by paying me a small fee.
- I will keep track of every change by patches, ingame-market etc and suggest easy changes if they get you more profit.

===Possible Contracts===

2.1.1: ONE-TIME-INFORMATION (14 days of profit, minimum of 100mio)
- If you want this I will send u the amount of ISK you can make per week (using only longterm-usable data)
- This information should be profitable for at least a couple months, maybe years.
- I will NOT update you if a more profitable Setup shows up for your setup
- The payment will be two weeks of the profit I calculated(not sales volume, just profit, i do NOT take the maximum gain possible for this)
- i dont want any further fees. This can be upgraded to the following any time:

2.1.2: BUSINESS-PLAN-CHECK + ONE-TIME-INFORMATION (14 days of profit, minimum of 100mio))
- this is the same as 2.1.1 but you can send me your current setup and i will calculate the profit you can make by using my System instead. Basicly you dont have to bother because my system is better 99,9% anyway (:

2.2. BUSINESS-PLAN-CHECK + DESTRIOUTH-CONTRACT (1 day of profit per 7 days)
- Íf you are sure you have the most optimal setup already you can send me your Setup and pay me to keep it secret.
- I will mark your Planet-Setup as "taken" in my list and will never suggest it to anybody else.
- I will still send you the amount of ISK you can make using mine and ask you to upgrade.
- The fee for this is one day of profit once a week.

2.3: ONE-TIME-INFORMATION + DESTRIOUTH-CONTRACT (14 days of profit + 1 day of profit per 7 days, minimum of 100mio)
- this is the masterplan and should be taken if you trust my information and want to have this information just to yourself
- I will tell you how much you can make a day/months/week
- I will mark your Planet-Setup as "taken" in my list and will never suggest it to anybody else.
- I will constantly update your information if anything changes. You will ALWAYS be up to date and know the most profitable way of PI for you.
- I will skype/TS/chat with you if you need help and will help you setup your planets and explain everything if needed.
- Your PI will always be on top of everybody else with the same Character-Layout
Destriouth Hollow
Star-Destroying-Warlords
#2 - 2012-08-15 00:37:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Destriouth Hollow
3. What will happen if you decide to work with me?
After you sent me your data and i answered you back you will know how much you can earn. I will NOT tell you the details until you pay me (obviously). I dont feel like giving my hard work as a present to some random scammer who thinks he is smarter than me. If you pay my fee i will calculate all the numbers for you and send u an exact plan that is easy to follow. Now you only have to setup your planets and the ISK can start rolling. If you are new to PI i will explain how to set it up of course.

4. DISCOUNT FOR THE FIRST 3 PARTNERS: (OFFER CONSUMED)
I know everybody could write a long text and pretend to understand anything about EVE. I know i need some good reputation until people start trusting me. Thats why i will offer a discount for the first 3 customers.
1. Customer will only pay 1/3 of my regular fees
2. Customer will only pay 1/2 of my regular fees
3. Customer will only pay 2/3 of my regular fees
I hope those 3 ppl will be fair enough to comment here and give my bussiness some good reputation.
The first contracts are out. This special offer is no longer viable. Gratulations to the first 3.

5. Example-Data
To give you an idea of the amounts of income possible:
- My current setup with Command Center Upgrades LVL 3 + Interplanetary Consolidation LVL 3 + never leaving high-sec gives me an income of 360mio ISK per month. It needs hauling every 3,4265 days Sadly i currently cant do more. Well, thats why i offer my knowledge to other people.
- With the optimal setup my character could alone make more than 14billion ISK (yes im talking about 28 PLEXes) a month. Sadly im a loner with 0 skills, otherwise i woul say: Screw you all! I don't need you! (:

I hope this text isn't too long for anybody to read it and gives you all needed information to judge my offering.
If you are interested or have any suggestions feel free to contact me here or ingame.

Have a save flight
Destriouth Hollow
Destriouth Hollow
Star-Destroying-Warlords
#3 - 2012-08-15 01:17:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Destriouth Hollow
Misclick -> delete this post pls (post not thread)
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#4 - 2012-08-15 02:20:28 UTC
Moon goo
Cyrus Deacon
Darkstar Interstellar Demolitions Conglomerate
#5 - 2012-08-15 02:49:04 UTC
so once you get a few taking the masterplan, you cant guarantee others a perfect setup anymore if I understand the business plan correctly?
Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
#6 - 2012-08-15 04:49:07 UTC
14 BILLION a month on 1 char doing PI What?
Stigman Zuwadza
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-08-15 06:24:35 UTC
chuckle vision, chuckle chuckle vision Big smile

Quote:
It would be too much for a single character or corp to handle anyway (:


Quote:
With the optimal setup my character could -->alone<-- make more than 14billion ISK


Fly safe. o7

It's broken and it's been broken for a long time and it'll be broken for some time to come.
Denal Umbra
Coffee Hub
#8 - 2012-08-15 06:57:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Denal Umbra
Emma Royd wrote:
14 BILLION a month on 1 char doing PI What?


Thats under "perfect" conditions but with that massive PI setup you would saturate the market and crash the whole system in a month.

Also, the logistics of moving a freighter full of goods to low / null space every day is... ugh :S
Destriouth Hollow
Star-Destroying-Warlords
#9 - 2012-08-15 09:29:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Destriouth Hollow
Kara Books wrote:
Moon goo


Since i don't know what that means i don't know what to comment (:

Cyrus Deacon wrote:
so once you get a few taking the masterplan, you cant guarantee others a perfect setup anymore if I understand the business plan correctly?


Well yes, that is quite right. But there are a lot of completly different bussiness-plans pretty close for any specific setup, so this won't be a problem until a LOT of people subscribed. I could post some setups worse but close to mine if needed. Even the following 20-30 plans would still produce more ISK than anything anybody could come up with random checking numbers. So i think its fair enough. Also i WILL tell the gain per month before u decide to or not to accept. I might also tell you how many "better" plans there are that i am not allowed to give u anymore. Don't know that jet. I dont have any smarter solutions for this problem in my head jet. (: Feel free to give me one (:

Emma Royd wrote:
14 BILLION a month on 1 char doing PI What?


14,7 billion (:

Stigman Zuwadza wrote:
chuckle vision, chuckle chuckle vision Big smile

Destriouth: It would be too much for a single character or corp to handle anyway (:

Destriouth: With the optimal setup my character could -->alone<-- make more than 14billion ISK

Destriouth: Fly safe. o7


Again i don't know how to answer to this but to to repeat myself (:
chuckle chuckle? (:
Destriouth Hollow
Star-Destroying-Warlords
#10 - 2012-08-15 09:29:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Destriouth Hollow
Denal Umbra wrote:
14 BILLION a month on 1 char doing PI What?

Thats under "perfect" conditions but with that massive PI setup you would saturate the market and crash the whole system in a month.]


Its the maximum I calculated (: Wasn't sure if I should post it because it does seem kinda "scammy" ^^ Although those conditions are very VERY hard to meet. Don't expect to be able to handle it (:
If you take one of the ongoing contracts I will update you with easily accessable options once yours isn't the best anymore. In the theoretical scenario that every single person in eve would subscribe to me and it runs for an infinite time everybody with the same Character-Setup will make exactly the same ISK and every Material will be produceded exactly as much as needed or at least the "overflowing" percentage will be the same for every material. But this won't happen for several reasons (:

Denal Umbra wrote:
Also, the logistics of moving a freighter full of goods to low / null space every day is... ugh :S

Nobody using my information should be forced to move stuff more than once every couple days. I don't like flying arround that much myself and surely won't force others to do it (:
You can also reduce the hauling by recuding productivity and increasing storage + transporter-volume.
If you want to stick to Highsec you can give me a tax of 10% and there wont be a problem and this won't occur. Lower taxes should only be taken if you can handle it.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-08-15 17:54:01 UTC
My first setup for PI is probably terribad so I dunno what kind of up front cost we are talking about. I realise it's probably really different depending on many variable but can you give maybe a ballpark on what the upfront investement could be. Don't want to potentially waste your time if I can't pay up front...
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-08-15 18:08:17 UTC
Destriouth Hollow wrote:

14,7 billion (:


Bull crap. I don't know what formula you are using, but a single character cannot make 14B isk per month purely from PI materials. I'm not even saying it would be very very hard, it is totally impossible.

Assuming perfect skills, finding perfect planets, 0 tax, null / wh space.

14,000,000B isk would require 11,666 P4 (wetware mainframes) this is assuming a sell price of 1.2M isk (200K over current buy orders).


11,666 P4 (wetware mainframes)
Wetware mainframes use 2880 p1 per p4. Each P4 uses 432,000 p0 per p4.

This comes to the following:

  • 5,039,712,000 P0 to make all this p4.
  • 839,952,000 P0 Per 1 planet of 6
  • 27,998,400 P0 per day, per planet
  • 11,66,600 P0 per hour, per planet


Having never seen a planet yield more then 5,760,000 in a 1 day cycle (wh, water, hot spot, perfect skills, 120,000p0 per 15 minute cycle) I seriously don't think you have found a way to extract 5 times this amount, let alone find a way to process that much P0. Each planet would require 388 basic factories to handle this much P0. So what magical way did you find to increase your cpu/power?
Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
#13 - 2012-08-15 18:31:57 UTC
Styth spiting wrote:
Destriouth Hollow wrote:

14,7 billion (:


Bull crap. I don't know what formula you are using, but a single character cannot make 14B isk per month purely from PI materials. I'm not even saying it would be very very hard, it is totally impossible.

Assuming perfect skills, finding perfect planets, 0 tax, null / wh space.

14,000,000B isk would require 11,666 P4 (wetware mainframes) this is assuming a sell price of 1.2M isk (200K over current buy orders).


11,666 P4 (wetware mainframes)
Wetware mainframes use 2880 p1 per p4. Each P4 uses 432,000 p0 per p4.

This comes to the following:

  • 5,039,712,000 P0 to make all this p4.
  • 839,952,000 P0 Per 1 planet of 6
  • 27,998,400 P0 per day, per planet
  • 11,66,600 P0 per hour, per planet


Having never seen a planet yield more then 5,760,000 in a 1 day cycle (wh, water, hot spot, perfect skills, 120,000p0 per 15 minute cycle) I seriously don't think you have found a way to extract 5 times this amount, let alone find a way to process that much P0. Each planet would require 388 basic factories to handle this much P0. So what magical way did you find to increase your cpu/power?


Buy into his 'system' to find out Lol

it's theorycrafting, stating the potential even though the potential can never be realised etc.
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-08-15 18:56:44 UTC
Emma Royd wrote:


Buy into his 'system' to find out Lol

it's theorycrafting, stating the potential even though the potential can never be realised etc.




I'm all for theory crafting and conceptual frameworks but the information he is giving with the possible results from using his information are impossible. There is no way using PI based on the limitations of the number of planets a player can have or the maximum number of extractors and factories each planet can have that a player could extract the amount of materials capable of generating 14B isk a month.

I have spent an embarrassing amount of time researching PI and testing planet setups (literally hundreds of hours). I also have 4 accounts running at nearly the highest possible efficiency possible which are only limited on skills (all skills at IV) as well as manufacture and sell finished products so I know a thing or two about the subject.

Destriouth Hollow
Star-Destroying-Warlords
#15 - 2012-08-16 00:50:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Destriouth Hollow
Frostys Virpio wrote:
My first setup for PI is probably terribad so I dunno what kind of up front cost we are talking about. I realise it's probably really different depending on many variable but can you give maybe a ballpark on what the upfront investement could be. Don't want to potentially waste your time if I can't pay up front...


Asking me for my price is free. I won't be mad if you won't accept. I tried to make it clear but i know it still isn't obvious that i mean it this way.
Asking me is free. Give me your data -> i give you my offer -> u decide.
Im currently bored -> therefore my time is worthless anyway (:

Styth spiting wrote:
Bull crap. I don't know what formula you are using, but a single character cannot make 14B isk per month purely from PI materials. I'm not even saying it would be very very hard, it is totally impossible.

I'm all for theory crafting and conceptual frameworks but the information he is giving with the possible results from using his information are impossible. There is no way using PI based on the limitations of the number of planets a player can have or the maximum number of extractors and factories each planet can have that a player could extract the amount of materials capable of generating 14B isk a month.

I have spent an embarrassing amount of time researching PI and testing planet setups (literally hundreds of hours). I also have 4 accounts running at nearly the highest possible efficiency possible which are only limited on skills (all skills at IV) as well as manufacture and sell finished products so I know a thing or two about the subject.


Arguing with u would demand telling you details. Telling you details would make it possible to steal my advantage in knowledge. Therefore i wont (:
However, the first few repututations will hopefully make u feel differently and make you beleave (:

Anyway: If I did indeed have a flaw in my system i will gladly pay back the difference or even everything if it is emberassing enough. Much more important than earning some ISK is earning some reputation since i have several ideas for further tools i want to program and use to offer services.

Once again:
If i did a mistake i will pay back what i messed up!
But i am 99,9% sure i did NOT mess up (:
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-08-16 14:38:49 UTC
So let me see if I have this right.


  1. You're a 30 day old account with barely trained PI skills so you haven't even been able to test any of these numbers you're claiming you can achieve.

  2. You claim ridiculously high profits that can be made using your remarkable new system, yet you yourself have not done this, you don't have the trained skills to even hypothetically do it, yet you expect people to give you hundreds of millions of isk (Oh according to you they would need to pay you BILLIONS) for your untested information?

  3. Within 30 days of playing Eve you have unlocked some secret with PI that no other players have found. You claim that you have found some formula that will make players an unrealistic impossible amount of isk.

  4. You claim you're a new player yet 2 days after your account was created you founded a corporation, who has a CEO that was joined seconds after account creation, meaning he is yours.


So what is the more likely situation?

  1. You found some magical formula that players will make hundreds of billions of isk using (Using your numbers I could make 200.4B per month) within your first 30 days of playing that no one else has found. You figured this out without testing anything in game, and within 2 days of joining eve you founded a corporation and started 3 alts. Players can trust you as you will refund them the hundreds of millions of isk they will pay you. You promise!

  2. You're an ALT of a scammer claiming that you are a new player and that you have some magical system players will pay you hundreds of millions of isk for. Since it will take at minimum 1 month for players to "see results" you try to get as many people to sign up with your system, and at the end of the month surprise surprise! It doesn’t work, and suddenly your alt goes inactive.



But you will refund people their money if it dosen't work right? You promise? Ok, so who should I send the 50 billion isk to?
Destriouth Hollow
Star-Destroying-Warlords
#17 - 2012-08-16 15:15:48 UTC
Quote:
1. You found some magical formula that players will make hundreds of billions of isk using (Using your numbers I could make 200.4B per month) within your first 30 days of playing that no one else has found. You figured this out without testing anything in game, and within 2 days of joining eve you founded a corporation and started 3 alts. Players can trust you as you will refund them the hundreds of millions of isk they will pay you. You promise!


Its a theoretical setup as i told you already.I dont think running several chars with that setup would be a smart idea because it would let the demand run dry even faster. I have no way to prove myself anyway, i can only ask for trust. Thats why my first 3 customers get a cheaper contract. The first one will have to pay something between 10-20mio. I can earn this running DED lvl 1s in a couple hours, why would i bother to ruin my nerves here for that? I currently have 4 ppl interested and once they can prove that it works i will hopefully not have to defend myself anymore.

Quote:
2. You're an ALT of a scammer claiming that you are a new player and that you have some magical system players will pay you hundreds of millions of isk for. Since it will take at minimum 1 month for players to "see results" you try to get as many people to sign up with your system, and at the end of the month surprise surprise! It doesn’t work, and suddenly your alt goes inactive.


Not an alt, not a scammer, no magic involved. This is my main and that will stay this way. It took me several hours to desing my avatar + i love my character-description (:
You could ask anybody who had contact with me jet, im pretty sure noone would have the idea that im an alt.

And hell i reget putting this annoyingly high number into my post..... Shouldn't have done this.
Destriouth Hollow
Star-Destroying-Warlords
#18 - 2012-08-16 15:22:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Destriouth Hollow
God damn it...
i wrote an epicly long answer to your post but it got deleted and i didnt copy it.....
Now in short:

1. It works. Nothing more to be said and the first customers WILL prove it.

2. i only let my program calculate all possible ways and spit out the optimal solution. No magic involved, just a ton of work.

3. well y. i hardly did anything else in the last month but thinking and reading about PI (: You can trust me that the stuff in my math-studies does mostly NOT take that much time..... (which i should do instead of playing eve i guess ^^)

4. i am the ceo. i only gave it to my inactive cousin because i couldnt chang the corp otherwise. now we dont want to change the corp but he is still ceo. and since he cant log on after his trial i have a petition running to get my ceo rights back. after this the account will be deleted. if anybody knows if i can get my ceo-rights back by deleting him, feel free to elaborate (:


Please do me a favor and stop starting useless arguments. Neither can i prove myself without customers or throwing out my data nor can you prove me wrong.
If everbody thinks like you it will fail regardless. If a few ppl trust me and comment here it will work. Nothing more to be done (:
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#19 - 2012-08-16 15:56:13 UTC
Add my voice to the dubious chorus that such returns are impossible.

Besides, even if they were, a real person would want to keep their trade secrets...as the more people doing the same exact thing as you...the worse everyone's margins are (Just ask the miners).

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-08-16 16:38:26 UTC
Pfsshhhhhhh....

If you suddenly discover a tree that grows money, you don't sell it.
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