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Awaiting New Minmatar Excuse.

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Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#101 - 2012-08-15 06:56:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Thomas Kreshant
Andiedeath wrote:

I seem to remember there were only a few vulnerable systems before Nulli joined...


This is both the correct number of the systems and very fitting
Lexmana
#102 - 2012-08-15 09:32:33 UTC
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Andiedeath wrote:

I seem to remember there were only a few vulnerable systems before Nulli joined...


This is both the correct number of the systems and very fitting


isn't it interesting how people always seem to remeber what suits them? That is why it was documented. We also need to remember that much of the warzone was heavily contested and Nulli just pushed those systems to vulnerable.

Nulli helped a little in plexing. But they also destroyed our efforts to go to T5 and by that might have sealed Amarrs fate. We will never get the alt farming army needed make a difference in the sov war.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#103 - 2012-08-15 12:08:07 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Andiedeath wrote:

I seem to remember there were only a few vulnerable systems before Nulli joined...


This is both the correct number of the systems and very fitting


isn't it interesting how people always seem to remeber what suits them? That is why it was documented. We also need to remember that much of the warzone was heavily contested and Nulli just pushed those systems to vulnerable.

Nulli helped a little in plexing. But they also destroyed our efforts to go to T5 and by that might have sealed Amarrs fate. We will never get the alt farming army needed make a difference in the sov war.



Nulli helped a bit but then they started just mass farming systems that were already vulnerable - which was really no help. I'm thinking todifraun was 7000% contested.

I think we can push to tier 5 again for the same reasons the strategy worked the first time. Yes it will take longer but just plan on that.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#104 - 2012-08-15 13:27:22 UTC
^^ We will defend metro, and without nulli on that side I can guarantee that you wont have an easy time doing it. We will make sure of that
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#105 - 2012-08-15 13:38:41 UTC
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
^^ We will defend metro, and without nulli on that side I can guarantee that you wont have an easy time doing it. We will make sure of that



I never said it would be easy. It wasn't easy with nulli. Whether we can do it remains to be seen.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#106 - 2012-08-15 14:09:27 UTC
Cearain wrote:
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
^^ We will defend metro, and without nulli on that side I can guarantee that you wont have an easy time doing it. We will make sure of that


I never said it would be easy. It wasn't easy with nulli. Whether we can do it remains to be seen.




Why on earth would you want to do try and plex minmatar systems back up again?

If these systems are traded back and forth as people/farmers try and get T5 cashouts then everything that CCP have setup with the current FW system looks rosy and to be working just fine.

If instead everyone piles on the Minmatar side with alt characters and abuses the hell out of the system you'll make money to fund your pvp and either CCP will be pushed into introducing a better version of the sov system or alternatively they'll simply nerf the living daylights out of the income and that will get rid of the farmers that way.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#107 - 2012-08-15 14:22:28 UTC
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Cearain wrote:
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
^^ We will defend metro, and without nulli on that side I can guarantee that you wont have an easy time doing it. We will make sure of that


I never said it would be easy. It wasn't easy with nulli. Whether we can do it remains to be seen.




Why on earth would you want to do try and plex minmatar systems back up again?

If these systems are traded back and forth as people/farmers try and get T5 cashouts then everything that CCP have setup with the current FW system looks rosy and to be working just fine.

If instead everyone piles on the Minmatar side with alt characters and abuses the hell out of the system you'll make money to fund your pvp and either CCP will be pushed into introducing a better version of the sov system or alternatively they'll simply nerf the living daylights out of the income and that will get rid of the farmers that way.



Because the actual tier system is fine. Its important to correctly identify the problem.

The problem is that plexing is most efficiently done by warping away. Once that is fixed by notifications and possibly a timer automatically counting down (if you warp away when an enemy lands on grid) the system will actually be great.

We already did the same system with no rewards. We did that for a few years and it wasn't any better. Nerfing rewards will just return us to that previous broken state not really improve fw.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#108 - 2012-08-15 14:31:03 UTC
Cearain wrote:

Because the actual tier system is fine. Its important to correctly identify the problem.

The problem is that plexing is most efficiently done by warping away. Once that is fixed by notifications and possibly a timer automatically counting down (if you warp away when an enemy lands on grid) the system will actually be great.

We already did the same system with no rewards. We did that for a few years and it wasn't any better. Nerfing rewards will just return us to that previous broken state not really improve fw.



lol notifications.... getting spammed to death by people doing mulitple plexes in 50+ systems all at the same time..

And timers counting down would make zero difference as Amarr doesn't compete anywhere close when it comes to the abiltiy to farm plexes so sooner or later (sooner) the defense fails and you lose the systems anyway it's just a time game.

If CCP really fixed the things they should i.e. systems perma stuck at vulnerable then all that would occur with the current Teir system and mechanics would be Minmatar at T5 forever and Amarr lucky we can't go T0
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#109 - 2012-08-15 14:42:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Cearain wrote:

Because the actual tier system is fine. Its important to correctly identify the problem.

The problem is that plexing is most efficiently done by warping away. Once that is fixed by notifications and possibly a timer automatically counting down (if you warp away when an enemy lands on grid) the system will actually be great.

We already did the same system with no rewards. We did that for a few years and it wasn't any better. Nerfing rewards will just return us to that previous broken state not really improve fw.


Thomas Kreshant wrote:

lol notifications.... getting spammed to death by people doing mulitple plexes in 50+ systems all at the same time..


It sounds good to me. We would have pilots split up and fighting in 50+ systems. If they don't want to leave the blob and fight throughout the warzone - well then I guess they will lose sov. At least it would be up to them if they want to fight for sov or not. Now with alts hiding everywhere plexing there is no option to fight.

Thomas Kreshant wrote:

And timers counting down would make zero difference as Amarr doesn't compete anywhere close when it comes to the abiltiy to farm plexes so sooner or later (sooner) the defense fails and you lose the systems anyway it's just a time game.


You are right most systems will eventually change hands. But this is good. This should not be stagnant like null sec where a system will sit in the same groups hands forever to be farmed. Having a systems change hands over time is good for faction war.

Thomas Kreshant wrote:

If CCP really fixed the things they should i.e. systems perma stuck at vulnerable then all that would occur with the current Teir system and mechanics would be Minmatar at T5 forever and Amarr lucky we can't go T0



I'm not sure what you are saying here. Are you proposing a fix other than nerfing rewards? Becasue the no rewards didn't work, we tried that for years. Adding or removing rewards is not the answer. Making plexing a pvp mechanic is.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#110 - 2012-08-15 15:30:16 UTC
So. 19 Amarr systems vulnerable. Just a few short days after Nulli goes belly up.

Welp. Cool

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#111 - 2012-08-15 15:36:43 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
So. 19 Amarr systems vulnerable. Just a few short days after Nulli goes belly up.

Welp. Cool


And?
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#112 - 2012-08-15 15:44:36 UTC
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
So. 19 Amarr systems vulnerable. Just a few short days after Nulli goes belly up.

Welp. Cool


And?



And?

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q
Ushra'Khan
#113 - 2012-08-15 16:05:57 UTC
Oh this thread is so delicious now. Where'sa Salicaz? Big smile

pew pew
Salicaz
Verrimus Caelum
#114 - 2012-08-15 16:34:18 UTC
Zen Guerrilla wrote:
Oh this thread is so delicious now. Where'sa Salicaz? Big smile



\o/

My points still stand....you were all silent when the horde was over on Amarr, now you're all perking up again now the horde is on Minmatar :)

All hail the alts!
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#115 - 2012-08-15 17:17:47 UTC
Salicaz wrote:
Zen Guerrilla wrote:
Oh this thread is so delicious now. Where'sa Salicaz? Big smile



\o/

My points still stand....you were all silent when the horde was over on Amarr, now you're all perking up again now the horde is on Minmatar :)

All hail the alts!


Sorry for being "silent" (???), we were too busy undocking to really participate in online forum dramas.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#116 - 2012-08-15 17:29:42 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Salicaz wrote:
Zen Guerrilla wrote:
Oh this thread is so delicious now. Where'sa Salicaz? Big smile



\o/

My points still stand....you were all silent when the horde was over on Amarr, now you're all perking up again now the horde is on Minmatar :)

All hail the alts!


Sorry for being "silent" (???), we were too busy undocking to really participate in online forum dramas.



Confirming I don't undock. I spin in station and get no kills.

Or maybe I don't chase thrasher gangs, one of those.

....Where did I put those smartbombs.....?TwistedTwistedTwisted

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
Salicaz
Verrimus Caelum
#117 - 2012-08-15 18:15:54 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Salicaz wrote:
Zen Guerrilla wrote:
Oh this thread is so delicious now. Where'sa Salicaz? Big smile



\o/

My points still stand....you were all silent when the horde was over on Amarr, now you're all perking up again now the horde is on Minmatar :)

All hail the alts!


Sorry for being "silent" (???), we were too busy undocking to really participate in online forum dramas.



http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1259747
You


http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=644959
Me

Confirming I don't undock, or double your kills per month. Actually I don't care much for km's and you'll often find me in a guardian.

So you were saying?
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#118 - 2012-08-15 18:52:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Xuixien
Salicaz wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Salicaz wrote:
Zen Guerrilla wrote:
Oh this thread is so delicious now. Where'sa Salicaz? Big smile



\o/

My points still stand....you were all silent when the horde was over on Amarr, now you're all perking up again now the horde is on Minmatar :)

All hail the alts!


Sorry for being "silent" (???), we were too busy undocking to really participate in online forum dramas.



http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1259747
You


http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=644959
Me

Confirming I don't undock, or double your kills per month. Actually I don't care much for km's and you'll often find me in a guardian.

So you were saying?


Oh no! You posted my killboard! You sure showed me! /o\ Look at those pixels, what ever shall I do?!

BTW you should check my signature. :) Thanks for taking things way too seriously and personally and for bringing the laughs. o7

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Megos Adriano
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#119 - 2012-08-15 19:03:19 UTC
i think its cute how Salicaz is trying to earn the approval of the big kids in the minmatar militia. cool killboard broh, etc etc.

And boom goes the dynamite.
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#120 - 2012-08-15 19:24:51 UTC  |  Edited by: sYnc Vir
Megos Adriano wrote:
i think its cute how Salicaz is trying to earn the approval of the big kids in the minmatar militia. cool killboard broh, etc etc.


So much irony, half of the time when im in a minnie fleet i have to mute comms from the onslaught of unearned cheat beating, frapping and stupidity.


Edit, just when did minnies become cool. Someone resend the memo.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.