EVE General Discussion

Ah. So, since I'm in an NPC corp I think they're good, right? And if I don't my CEO will boot me?


Kinda trolling this time.

People who have an off grid booster will just sell them and close their ogb specific account which will not be their second account.

What I genunely can't understand is why people do assume that blobs don't have OGB themselves these days? More people in that blob, better chance of someone having OGB alt (and actually better chance that people from larger groups will think of OGB needs even if they don't have it).



If something in the game is alt's work, that thing is broken. I agree that boosting is boring, but when I think of solutions, first one that comes to mind is "make command ships fun to fly", not "let them use alts".

pretty sure that most of the complaints towards off-grid boosting are w/r/t off-grid skirmish-boosting lokis rather than legions/tengus running tanking links

I could be wrong, though

I don't think the real problem with off grid boosting is the fact that it is off grid. I think it is in the ships that can do it effectively.

1) T3 ships. They can be fitted with 3+ ganglinks, covert ops cloak and interdiction nullifier at the same time. You practically have ship that you can sneak anywhere into system without much trouble. Then you only need to watch for probes and move the ship elsewhere if needed. Too simple and safe.


2) running gang links from within the POS shields or just right outside is also problem.

how about 10.000 km limit to the range ?

Because every decent fleet brings at least 1 or 2 dudes to probe stuff, now we can agree most fleet are not always decent but that's another point.



Imho, 1st problem is that if you can do exactly the same thing with an alt you can do with another player and safer then yes, something is broken. On the long run a true player behind his screen boosting or whatever is far better for CCP/Eve community health than people with armys of alts pretending their word means more than anyone else because :unsub: and other stupid :words:.
If changes hit as hard has they should those alts are not lost, they will be recycled/sold, therefore there's no loss but actually substantial gain in gaming quality for everyone, starting by younger players that will be able to show their teeth more often but still die to EXPERIENCED AND GOOD PVP players. (not me of course I'm horrible at pvp)

Second point is "Boosting is boring": the heck, how can this be boring?
-how boring is to play heal chamans in space (logistics)?
-how boring is to play with reccons or fly paper thin frigates getting blown at the first few seconds of the fight?
-how boring is to fly with freighters?
-how boring is to mine ice or ores?

"Boring" is not an argument when it comes to command ships.
People tend to confuse Boosting with 5 or 6 links and paper think crap ships with actually what you really have in gangs/fleets, those ships are still able to dish a decent amount of dps while having decent tanks.

If people tend to fly alone or with their alts then they play the wrong game, they should play Pacman instead of an MMORPG on line.

I hate the argument that offgrid boosters should stay in the game because T3 boosters 'can't fit tanks'.

Saying your 6-link tengu can't fit a tank is about as ridiculous as when I fit an Abaddon with nothing but tracking computers in the mids and heatsinks in the lows and then come whining to the forums about how bad it tanks.

Anyway - I am growing fed up of repeating myself in the various threads on the issue and the solobears continuously fielding the same arguments that have been countered a 100 times before.

A booster alt with a 100mn AB is viable on-grid and if your offgrid gets probed down, you must be tabbed out for ages or otherwise completely fail. I suggest you either buy a second screen or cut down on the drugs/learn to play.

As for 'playing an ongrid booster is boring' - but playing it offgrid gives you the thrills, huh? Learn to dualbox properly and field both on grid.

The only proper point I've read on the issue so far is the fact that the game currently lacks any fleetboosters for frigate sized gangs when OGB is removed. CCP planned to introduce new destroyers anyway, so there's a role to fill.

How is it common sense? I haven't seen a single reason why links should be on grid. What about covops scout, why are they allowed to give warpins to fleet and not be on grid?

Read their description, and you'll find that them being off grid makes perfect sense.

OGB T3s are destructible, they are paper thin and valuable, and can be probed down from their safespots, or just forced to warp and thus disabling the links. They are able to fill only one, simple purpose and I feel like the risk of dragging that link alt around is fairly well balanced with the benefits it brings.

I do think that the bonuses should be swapped around ASAP- command ships should be the maximum boosters, not T3s, but this has been established for long already.

Is it the alt-thing that is the problem? That the mechanism favours those who can afford an OGB? Ok, that could bother some people. By the same logic we should then also remove the option to use research, production and scanner alts. They all bring tangible benefits off grid to people who can afford them.

Just FWIW, I do have an alt that is also a maxed-out OGB and I don't see why others couldn't adapt as well. If you feel that it is an advantage that would benefit you, why not train or buy one? It's no different to a PI, scanner or trade alt for example. You don't have to have one, but they all bring benefits.

If off-grid boosting is removed, which seems very likely, the command ships should perhaps be balanced so that it's feasible also for small gangs to bring links on roams, otherwise it skews the balance in favour of blobs.

I'd love to fly a link Eos with our gang, but it's a sorry piece of space poo at the moment, so are Gal links. Will I train my alt to fly a CS? Probably yeah, I adapt just like I did when I trained her for the Legion, especially if the OGB nerf comes together with a CS boost.

I just wonder how bringing half a million EHP, couple of hundred dps and a flight of dishonour drones on grid with the links would somehow improve the game as a whole for those who don't have a link alt. EVE is a game where haves tend to have advantages over the have-nots. Nerfing OGBs does not bring any substantial change to this imo.

If you can understand why off grid ewar and off grid logistics are ridiculous and wrong then you can understand why off grid boosting is ridiculous and wrong.

Of course, this is not a question of intelligence but of emotional attachment and there are none so blind as those who don't want to see.