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Lasers. Names. Changes. Please read before reaching for your weapons.

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#141 - 2012-08-15 14:55:02 UTC
Having different naming schemes for the different weapon types is fine. Just don't reuse words for different levels.

So if you have prototype projectile weapons at meta 4, either don't use prototype for hybrids, or have prototype being the word for meta 4

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CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#142 - 2012-08-15 15:55:02 UTC
Zor'katar wrote:
While we're on the subject of weapon naming, how about removing the word "Artillery" from some of the Autocannon names?


I approve of said point and have made a note to look into that when we get around to projectile weapons. :)

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CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#143 - 2012-08-15 16:21:06 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP FoxFour
Bloodpetal wrote:
Kuehnelt wrote:
If you want to make meta levels clear, just add them to the name as a version number, excluding T2 and faction. So, Heavy Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I.4; Experimental 1MN Afterburner I.3

........

EDIT: !!! - right, that AB is the old Cold Gas AB. Back when it was named Cold-Gas Arcjet Thrusters, I used to always know that what I wanted if I wanted a small AB was the cold-gas one. Now that it's has this 'helpful' name, I don't regard it as having a name at all, and just go straight to the meta level.


That suggestion is perfect IMHO for Meta resolution.

So, using various suggestions I've seen so far, alternate schemes :

Light Pulse Laser I
Anode Light Pulse Laser I.1
Modal Light Pulse Laser I.2
Afocal Light Pulse Laser I.3
Modulated Light Pulse Laser I.4
Light Pulse Laser II


Clean, simple, module name is placed at end, so you can search "Light Pulse Laser" and get all meta types, if you want all T1s you can just do 'Light Pulse Laser I.', if you want T2, you just put 'II' at the end.

I think changing the anode, modal, etc is fine as long as you replace them with something better, more consistent or cooler.

If you insist on using the new conventions, then you can still wrap it in (I left flavor designators in this case)

Light Pulse Laser I
Upgraded Anode Light Pulse Laser I.1
Limited Modal Light Pulse Laser I.2
Experimental Afocal Light Pulse Laser I.3
Prototype Modulated Light Pulse Laser I.4
Light Pulse Laser II

I find that a bit of an eyeful to really enjoy. But, I think it's pretty sexy still.

There may be a better way than just I.1, but it's a step in the right direction.


And, I agree. When you start using the "Upgraded" designators alone, it basically doesn't have a name anymore.


If we, and I stress the if as this is just rambling, what about I think I prefer:
I.I
I.II
I.III
I.IV

Just keeping with how we tend to do things.

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Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
#144 - 2012-08-15 16:49:51 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:

If we, and I stress the if as this is just rambling, what about I think I prefer:
I.I
I.II
I.III
I.IV

Just keeping with how we tend to do things.


Decimal Roman numerals? I now think I've seen it all. What?

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CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#145 - 2012-08-15 17:02:36 UTC
Rees Noturana wrote:
CCP FoxFour wrote:

If we, and I stress the if as this is just rambling, what about I think I prefer:
I.I
I.II
I.III
I.IV

Just keeping with how we tend to do things.


Decimal Roman numerals? I now think I've seen it all. What?


Versus the previous recommendation of roman numerals mixed with numbers? i kinda figured that made more sense? I will admit I don't know the roman numeral system that well so if there is a better way to do that let me know.

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Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
#146 - 2012-08-15 17:20:25 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Versus the previous recommendation of roman numerals mixed with numbers? i kinda figured that made more sense? I will admit I don't know the roman numeral system that well so if there is a better way to do that let me know.


Since meta level is available as a separate column I don't think we need to clutter the item name with it. Meta levels 1 to 3 are usually trash anyway and not a big concern. I'd like to see the "I" tech level indicator go away as well.

Maybe: [meta name] '[decorative name]' [size] [item type]

So we get: Upgraded 'Anode' Light Pulse Laser

The meta name provides an indication of the level of the item, we keep some storyline 'color' in the name and the final part is together to allow for searching. By using a common meta indicator with a name unique to a line of equipment you keep the best of both worlds without it becoming too long.

Light Pulse Laser I
Upgraded 'Anode' Light Pulse Laser
Limited 'Modal' Light Pulse Laser
Experimental 'Afocal' Light Pulse Laser
Prototype 'Modulated' Light Pulse Laser
Light Pulse Laser II

You could add in a manufacturer name in the Tech II model to add more color. The Tech I indicator could be dropped entirely as well.

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CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#147 - 2012-08-15 17:33:54 UTC
Rees Noturana wrote:
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Versus the previous recommendation of roman numerals mixed with numbers? i kinda figured that made more sense? I will admit I don't know the roman numeral system that well so if there is a better way to do that let me know.


Since meta level is available as a separate column I don't think we need to clutter the item name with it. Meta levels 1 to 3 are usually trash anyway and not a big concern. I'd like to see the "I" tech level indicator go away as well.

Maybe: [meta name] '[decorative name]' [size] [item type]

So we get: Upgraded 'Anode' Light Pulse Laser

The meta name provides an indication of the level of the item, we keep some storyline 'color' in the name and the final part is together to allow for searching. By using a common meta indicator with a name unique to a line of equipment you keep the best of both worlds without it becoming too long.

Light Pulse Laser I
Upgraded 'Anode' Light Pulse Laser
Limited 'Modal' Light Pulse Laser
Experimental 'Afocal' Light Pulse Laser
Prototype 'Modulated' Light Pulse Laser
Light Pulse Laser II

You could add in a manufacturer name in the Tech II model to add more color. The Tech I indicator could be dropped entirely as well.


Hmmmm thank you for that. I see where you are coming from and agree on several points. I should hopefully have an updated idea in the next couple of days.

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Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
#148 - 2012-08-15 17:36:29 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Hmmmm thank you for that. I see where you are coming from and agree on several points. I should hopefully have an updated idea in the next couple of days.


Its tough to be as simple as possible, while being informative and also not making everything generic and bland. Good luck.

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CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#149 - 2012-08-15 17:39:17 UTC
Rees Noturana wrote:
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Hmmmm thank you for that. I see where you are coming from and agree on several points. I should hopefully have an updated idea in the next couple of days.


Its tough to be as simple as possible, while being informative and also not making everything generic and bland. Good luck.


Thank you! :)

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Sudelle
Tir Asleen
#150 - 2012-08-15 17:41:53 UTC
Do we need the word Laser after all the weapons? The other guns don't use "hybrid turret" or "projectile turret" at the end.

So you would have a :

Upgraded 5GW Light Dual Beam I
Small Anointed Smiting Pulse I
Limited 'Anode' Light Dual Beam I

depending on the naming convention you go with...
Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
#151 - 2012-08-15 17:47:42 UTC
Sudelle wrote:
Do we need the word Laser after all the weapons? The other guns don't use "hybrid turret" or "projectile turret" at the end.

So you would have a :

Upgraded 5GW Light Dual Beam I
Small Anointed Smiting Pulse I
Limited 'Anode' Light Dual Beam I

depending on the naming convention you go with...


That's what I'm talking about. Strip it down. One more unneeded word gone.

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Fleet Warpsujarento
Doomheim
#152 - 2012-08-15 17:48:05 UTC
Seriously though FoxFour, why are you doing it one weapons system at a time rather than all at once? Wouldn't it be better to save them up and do them all at once to get it over with? It's not like it's urgent. The game has done mostly fine for almost a decade with the current names, after all.
CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#153 - 2012-08-15 17:49:38 UTC
Fleet Warpsujarento wrote:
Seriously though FoxFour, why are you doing it one weapons system at a time rather than all at once? Wouldn't it be better to save them up and do them all at once to get it over with? It's not like it's urgent. The game has done mostly fine for almost a decade with the current names, after all.


Getting the time to do everything at once is really tough. Getting the time to do lasers is not. :) Basically my hope is that over time whenever I see I have a block of free time I can pick another group and get it done.

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Circumstantial Evidence
#154 - 2012-08-15 17:58:24 UTC
When upgraded / limited / experimental was first described, someone said that "limited" implied poor quality, less capable than meta zero. A prototype is often built on a lab bench, not rugged enough for field use.

What do folks think of this:

Light Pulse Laser I - Anode Upgrade I
Light Pulse Laser I - Modal Upgrade II
Light Pulse Laser I - Afocal Upgrade III
Light Pulse Laser I - Modulated Upgrade IV
Ginger Barbarella
#155 - 2012-08-15 18:49:47 UTC
Aside from wanting a new Cruise launcher called "BoomStick", I'm good, thanks. Cool

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Buzzmong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#156 - 2012-08-15 19:06:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Buzzmong
CCP Foxfour, can you have a chat with CCP Gnauton (if he's still about) about the meta name system please? Especially about the use of the word "Limited".

When he was soliticting feedback about the new meta system it was pointed out by lots of people that Limited actually carried quite negative connotations and CCP Gnauton himself agreed, as using "Limited" on it's own didn't convey what he originally meant:

CCP Gnauton wrote:
"Limited" may have been a bad choice, since it appears to be widely interpreted in its negative meaning rather than the "Limited Edition" connotation I was going for.

I would very much like to see "Limited" be changed into something more representing an improvement, rather that the current insinuation that it's a worse item.

As for the laser naming, I too support Rees Noturana's "[meta name] '[decorative name]' [size] [item type]" system of keeping it simple and concise while retaining the flavour, very similar to the missile system. Flavour is important.

Also, I'm glad that CCP and you in particular are giving serious time to the names again Smile
CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#157 - 2012-08-15 19:10:59 UTC
Buzzmong wrote:
CCP Foxfour, can you have a chat with CCP Gnauton (if he's still about) about the meta name system please? Especially about the use of the word "Limited".

When he was soliticting feedback about the new meta system it was pointed out by lots of people that Limited actually carried quite negative connotations and CCP Gnauton himself agreed, as using "Limited" on it's own didn't convey what he originally meant:

CCP Gnauton wrote:
"Limited" may have been a bad choice, since it appears to be widely interpreted in its negative meaning rather than the "Limited Edition" connotation I was going for.

I would very much like to see "Limited" be changed into something more representing an improvement, rather that the current insinuation that it's a worse item.

As for the laser naming, I too support Rees Noturana's "[meta name] '[decorative name]' [size] [item type]" system of keeping it simple and concise while retaining the flavour, very similar to the missile system. Flavour is important.

Also, I'm glad that CCP and you in particular are giving serious time to the names again Smile


You will be happy to know that the only reason I have not posted my full list of name changes for Pulse Lasers is because we are internally discussing the meta name issue. I am trying to come up with something better than the current names.

Specifically I would like the names to seem increasing in awesome, but also be alphabetical. :P

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CorInaXeraL
The Dresdeneers
#158 - 2012-08-15 19:17:34 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Buzzmong wrote:
CCP Foxfour, can you have a chat with CCP Gnauton (if he's still about) about the meta name system please? Especially about the use of the word "Limited".

When he was soliticting feedback about the new meta system it was pointed out by lots of people that Limited actually carried quite negative connotations and CCP Gnauton himself agreed, as using "Limited" on it's own didn't convey what he originally meant:

CCP Gnauton wrote:
"Limited" may have been a bad choice, since it appears to be widely interpreted in its negative meaning rather than the "Limited Edition" connotation I was going for.

I would very much like to see "Limited" be changed into something more representing an improvement, rather that the current insinuation that it's a worse item.

As for the laser naming, I too support Rees Noturana's "[meta name] '[decorative name]' [size] [item type]" system of keeping it simple and concise while retaining the flavour, very similar to the missile system. Flavour is important.

Also, I'm glad that CCP and you in particular are giving serious time to the names again Smile


You will be happy to know that the only reason I have not posted my full list of name changes for Pulse Lasers is because we are internally discussing the meta name issue. I am trying to come up with something better than the current names.

Specifically I would like the names to seem increasing in awesome, but also be alphabetical. :P



Meta 1 - Awesome
Meta 2 - Bodacious
Meta 3 - Cool Cool (The sunglasses smiley is obligatory)
Meta 4 - Divine


Though, yes, something in a semblance of order, alphabetical or otherwise, would indeed help. Someone mentioned earlier putting the little triangle, in red, with the meta level in a corner much how Cosmo, Deadspace, Officer, Faction, and T2 loot has. This would be a very nifty aid in identifying meta levels as well.
Buzzmong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#159 - 2012-08-15 19:25:39 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
[You will be happy to know that the only reason I have not posted my full list of name changes for Pulse Lasers is because we are internally discussing the meta name issue. I am trying to come up with something better than the current names.
Specifically I would like the names to seem increasing in awesome, but also be alphabetical. :P


*high five* Big smile
CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#160 - 2012-08-15 19:29:05 UTC
Buzzmong wrote:
CCP FoxFour wrote:
[You will be happy to know that the only reason I have not posted my full list of name changes for Pulse Lasers is because we are internally discussing the meta name issue. I am trying to come up with something better than the current names.
Specifically I would like the names to seem increasing in awesome, but also be alphabetical. :P


*high five* Big smile


*high five*

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