EVE General Discussion

I don't think the curent state is a 'working system'. Eager noobs invest plex into grinding up tengu boosters - that may be in CCPs best interest in the short run, but definitely not in the long run.

If I wanted to, I'd just take my frig alt, hook it up with a set of pirate implants, pop a booster, have one of my higher SP characters in a safe in a boosting+probing T3 and just train up some ECM skills on another character that already has caldari cruiser and recon @V for a falcon alt in case I still manage to mess up.

My K/D ratio would be awesome I guess. Unfortunately, there are nerds playing this game really being that lame, popping noobs all day long. I don't call that 'a working system' - at least the nob should see the booster on grid.

I agree there should be a cheap, remotely viable frig-gang booster - probably a new destroyer.

However, fixing off grid boosting would be a start to fix the T3/CS imbalance, because current 6-link off-grid 5%/lvl boost abominations wouldn't work as well anymore. More nerfs to T3 boosters certainly will be necessary, just as well as boosts for fleet CS, but imho, it's a good first step.

In a game that is all about those with the most isk/resources/numbers having an advantage, how can anyone feel system wide fleet boosts don't somehow fit into that?

If they force boosters on grid there will be many people with suddenly useless alts. I would probably be down from 3 accounts to one at that point. As for solo/small gang stuff, people will just go back to bringing falcon alts everywhere. Then we'll be back to people crying about ECM again, and how it's unfair, ruins the game etc etc..

It all comes down to people too lazy/unresourceful to get their own, crying to have the others taken away

By the way, will this nerf the titan fleet bonus as well? Force a titan on grid for it's shield/armor bonus lol..

It is not a working system. It adds virtually nothing to the game, and forces people to avoid specific systems, corporations, and players because fighting someone who is boosted is just not worth their time.




I can see if someone is in a more expensive ship and decide not to engage them. If a ship is alone but with friends, I can try to kill it and get away before the friends arrive...and I'll know via local and directional scan that these friends are coming before they're on top of me.

Save for prior experience, it's almost impossible to know that there's a gang boosting alt in system. Even if you manage to find out that there's a booster around, there is virtually no counter. If the alt is on a station, I have to GCC on him just to force him to dock, and then he can just undock - no risk of death. If he's in a SS I need to have a max-skilled and virtue-implanted friend or alt to scan him down...and even if I manage to do that, he could very well just be warp core stabbed.

There is no counter to offgrid boosting. It's free stats with virtually no risk (unless you do something incredibly stupid) and only a one-time cost.

There are parts of the game that would no longer work or would be much worse than they currently are. You say that it forces people to avoid specific systems, corps, and players but that will remain true regardless. You'll always complain that you don't have a 100% fair fight - perhaps they have more SP than you, perhaps they have hotdropped you, perhaps they have a booster alt, perhaps they have a falcon alt, perhaps they blob.... Your reasons will never end.

Again, I'm not saying we cannot bring links to being strictly on the field. I'm saying we should fix the problems that's going to cause before we just go willy nilly breaking our Jenga puzzle.

-Liang

Ed: And yes, I still remember how passionate you are on the subject - and the lengths that you are willing to go to for the extermination of any booster alt someone might have.

You are the one who seems demanding.

I will play eve as i like, and give my opinions, as I like.

Confirming that most the arguments against OGBs are misinformed and bad.

Like nuren said, if you sit there pounding d-scan the entire time, what do you think will happen to your main that is fighting?

You trade attention to your other account to prevent your OGB from dying and instead your main gets tackled and you die, or you don't time a shield/armor boost correctly and suffer.

I am merely stating my opinion that it is a bad mechanic and imo eves emphasis, on dual boxing, alts loses them allot of subscriptions. Many agree with me.

I am not telling anyone how they should play the game or what they should post on the forums. Like yeep is in the above post.

Yeah, and those people can stick to their simple minded blobs.

If OGBs are removed, small gangs will just get steamrolled by larger ganks who have claymores which are protected by 4 Logi ships. Good luck trying to kite anything or even escape, because they will have faster speeds and longer points.

If boosting for T3s are limited to a squad or even less pilots, then the small gang can atleast do something other than just die, they have a small edge over the claymores boosts.

Why is it that you feel this acute pressure to dual box when I don't - despite the fact that I have 2 perfectly skilled leadership alts for any given occasion? I'm not trying to say the system is great right now, but you present this as a doomsday case that it isn't really.

Like I said, we need to fix the core problems relating to gang boosting and then we can move them on grid.

-Liang

It's really the old "raise the bar" and "move the goal" issue.

"You shall pay a scout alt else you are at disadvantage"
"You shall pay a Falcon alt sub else you'll lose because everybody else got it".
"You shall pay 4 RR alts subs else you'll lose because everybody else got it".

This causes a divide between true small scale players and those who want to play "boisband", look small but with big hidden shoulders.

Guess what happens next? That people don't want to small scale any more because they know that the other guys are "cheating" (I put between "" because it's legit game mechanics, but lame play. And no the "just buy 6 alt accounts yourself BECAUSE ALL CAN DO IT" is not game balance).