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Exploration Frigate Rebalance
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St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-08-14 05:34:05 UTC
CCP Fozzie is currently looking at rebalancing exploration frigates. Thread is here. Give him feedback while you can or forever hold your peace!
Kilrayn
Caldari Provisions
#2 - 2012-08-15 04:47:50 UTC
I do agree that ships that arent t3 cruisers should be more viable in empire explo. while the t3's may be kings, they shouldnt be the 'end-game' for exploration.

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Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#3 - 2012-08-15 10:57:35 UTC
Obligatory ban T3 ships from high sec plexes.
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-08-15 10:58:25 UTC
Stop posting in my thread goddamit!
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#5 - 2012-08-15 11:23:11 UTC
Emperor Salazar wrote:
Obligatory ban T3 ships from high sec plexes.


Not sure if serious, but I do fully support this. Hisec is an area belonging to new players.

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Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#6 - 2012-08-15 13:12:48 UTC
St Mio wrote:
Stop posting in my thread goddamit!


I'm surprised you managed to muster the effort to even make a thread.
Mia Lang
Department of Planetary Services
Intergalatic Complex Specialist
#7 - 2012-08-15 14:40:46 UTC
Emperor Salazar wrote:
St Mio wrote:
Stop posting in my thread goddamit!


I'm surprised you managed to muster the effort to even make a thread.



Agreed
Josef Djugashvilis
#8 - 2012-08-15 15:38:23 UTC
Roime wrote:
Emperor Salazar wrote:
Obligatory ban T3 ships from high sec plexes.


Not sure if serious, but I do fully support this. Hisec is an area belonging to new players.



I think hi-sec 'belongs' to anyone who wishes to do whatever it is they do there.

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Transient Drifter
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-08-15 19:33:44 UTC
Emperor Salazar wrote:
Obligatory ban T3 ships from high sec plexes.



to what end, would this serve?

it seems like people would just refit a different ship and perform the same job. You don't NEED a T3 to run the top-end highsec exploration sites, but they are definitely the best all-around choice simply because of their versatility.

in that case, CCP could increase the scan difficulty of higher-end sites so that an unbonused scanning ship would not be able to hit 100%

with this scenario you are either forced to have a scanning alt, in a scanning ship... or scan, yourself, with a bonused ship then reship to run the site.
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#10 - 2012-08-15 21:23:29 UTC
Transient Drifter wrote:
Emperor Salazar wrote:
Obligatory ban T3 ships from high sec plexes.



to what end, would this serve?

it seems like people would just refit a different ship and perform the same job. You don't NEED a T3 to run the top-end highsec exploration sites, but they are definitely the best all-around choice simply because of their versatility.

in that case, CCP could increase the scan difficulty of higher-end sites so that an unbonused scanning ship would not be able to hit 100%

with this scenario you are either forced to have a scanning alt, in a scanning ship... or scan, yourself, with a bonused ship then reship to run the site.


You don't need a scan bonus to scan. With good enough skills, you can fit any ship to be an all-in-one scanning/combat ship for any site.

And no, you don't need a T3 to run the top-end high sec sites.

You need it to be competitive. And I personally think that is not good for high sec plexing.
Mnemosyne Gloob
#11 - 2012-08-16 01:48:29 UTC
Transient Drifter wrote:
Emperor Salazar wrote:
Obligatory ban T3 ships from high sec plexes.



in that case, CCP could increase the scan difficulty of higher-end sites so that an unbonused scanning ship would not be able to hit 100%

with this scenario you are either forced to have a scanning alt, in a scanning ship... or scan, yourself, with a bonused ship then reship to run the site.


Because Tech3 ships don't that scanning subsystem, right?
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#12 - 2012-08-16 09:21:04 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Roime wrote:
Emperor Salazar wrote:
Obligatory ban T3 ships from high sec plexes.


Not sure if serious, but I do fully support this. Hisec is an area belonging to new players.



I think hi-sec 'belongs' to anyone who wishes to do whatever it is they do there.


It's just an area where new players can learn the game in relative safety.

A vet harvesting hisec sites in a T3 is like a grown-up man occupying the best slide in the local kiddie park.

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Demieta
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-08-16 18:29:08 UTC
I think it would be good if the Covert Ops exploration frigate got a better bonus to scanning than the T3 sub gives. Or maybe give the scanner frigates a bonus to salvager/codebreaker/analyzer chance, range, or cycle time.
Ensign X
#14 - 2012-08-16 20:03:50 UTC
Demieta wrote:
I think it would be good if the Covert Ops exploration frigate got a better bonus to scanning than the T3 sub gives. Or maybe give the scanner frigates a bonus to salvager/codebreaker/analyzer chance, range, or cycle time.


I'm guessing you missed the point of this thread as well as the thread linked in the OP which includes the following buff to T1 Scan frigates per racial frigate level:

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5% bonus to Codebreaker, Analyzer and Salvager cycle time