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Looking of advice on what ship/weapons to go for to PVP in/with.
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Shang Ghjuvan
Shang Ghjuvan Corporation
#1 - 2012-08-13 22:08:07 UTC
I haven't really pvped much and want to shave off the fur and grow some teeth. To do this I was gonna train up an alt and play around in factional warfare until I got so me decent skills trained. This alt will be pimarially for pvp and will be fed money from my main (this character). Any advice on what ships/weapons to aim for? I am already planning on training some kind of logistics ship and it can already use every stealth bomber.
Tillimitrus Sand
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-08-13 22:47:09 UTC
Look no further:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1790931#post1790931

You say you can use SBs but that you need to train up "decent skills"? I guess then you have lvl 5 in all the frigs and some launcher skills but that is about all I can get from that.

If you want to do FW that's fine, you certainly have the hull trained for the mish. Although I believe you will find FW to be a very cold and unforegiving place for a furry to learn PvP. I would suggest you spend a few months with us in RvB. You could learn fleet actions without putting up a huge isk investment and you could round out your gunnery and support skills in that time. Then if FW is still what you want you can leave with an open invitation to always come back later.

That said if you want skill advice then of course train your support and gunnery skills to atleast 4s and the important stuff to 5. The problem is you will be trying to do this while training for BC and T2 stuff for use in FW. You will end up in larger hulls that are gimped and fail under moderate DPS because your support and foundational skills are wanting. Worse, your DPS in those ships will be crap for the same reason on your gunnery skill side. That's just how the Eve ball bounces.

Join RvB, you won't regret it.
If you want to fly safe then dock up. I always fly deadly. - Xeris 7
Shang Ghjuvan
Shang Ghjuvan Corporation
#3 - 2012-08-13 22:53:45 UTC
I actually did join RVB for a little while and it really wasn't much more than I expected, I've been running incursions for a while and have been working at understanding how those fleets work and I've also been part of a few low/null pve ops. I understand about how the basics of pvp work and am a little displeased with doing it in hs where it feels bottled/canned.
Taoist Dragon
x Never Regret x
#4 - 2012-08-13 23:06:40 UTC
The new T1 frig rebalance is a great place to start with in FW.

Cheap and effective. And once you are happy with how your alt is progressing then you can fund whatever shineys you want.

Don't just jump into the biggest/shineiest ship you can fly or you'll become disheartened when you get pwn'd in a 'lesser' ship my a better player.

Get your feet wet while skilling up and improving your (player) skill. the rest will flow on from that.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Garresh
Mackies Raiders
Wild Geese.
#5 - 2012-08-15 04:09:37 UTC
Fly a firetail. you won't regret it.

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Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#6 - 2012-08-15 06:40:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Vilnius Zar
FW is more about whoring plexes/pve/LP than it is about PVP and because its game mechanics are so weird it actually detracts from the whole PVP aspect. To get a feeling for PVP, both solo as fleet, RvB is the best option really (at last the best known one) but it's all about what you put into it.

apart from that, pvp is about what you KNOW and not so much about what you fly (and most people are clueless on it really, regardless of their positive K:D). Any decent T1 frig or cruiser can do fine in PVP, you don't need T2 or faction stuff for it at all. Frigate wise Merlin or Incursus makes a lot of sense, Rifter still is nice ofcourse. Cruisers, Rupture is great, Vexor/Thorax works fine and Blaster Moa in a "please attack me, I'm a carebear honest" role is hilarious.
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-08-15 07:20:23 UTC
Shang Ghjuvan wrote:
I haven't really pvped much and want to shave off the fur and grow some teeth. To do this I was gonna train up an alt and play around in factional warfare until I got so me decent skills trained. This alt will be pimarially for pvp and will be fed money from my main (this character). Any advice on what ships/weapons to aim for? I am already planning on training some kind of logistics ship and it can already use every stealth bomber.


I'll throw my hat in for FW. A number of things going for it:

The new T1 combat and attack frigates rock and are cheap as hell.

All ship sizes and tiers and races get used.

Plexes are a great equalizer, so if you use them properly, you (sometimes) avoid being bobbed.

You can earn isk for killing people.

There are lots of fights - at least in US tz in Gallente.

There are many corps that are recruiting.

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!
Armeggeda iscariah
Ganja Labs
Exodus.
#8 - 2012-08-15 07:35:20 UTC
Vilnius Zar wrote:
FW is more about whoring plexes/pve/LP than it is about PVP and because its game mechanics are so weird it actually detracts from the whole PVP aspect. To get a feeling for PVP, both solo as fleet, RvB is the best option really (at last the best known one) but it's all about what you put into it.


Uhm..idk what part of FW you've been looking at but Caldari/Gallente FW zones are full of pvp, not just plex huggers.
Tbh if you join fw with guys like Hrett you should learn pretty quick.

Hail Satan.
Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
#9 - 2012-08-15 09:20:37 UTC
Long term autocannons are unfortunately still a suppreme weaponsplatform easily capable of dealing with larger and smaller shiptypes than desiged for. However the other weapon platforms still work pretty well. Especially with blasters having a very nice buff...
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#10 - 2012-08-17 13:32:02 UTC
RVB wont teach you how to PVP despite the claims. Living 2 systems away from an enemy who is always up for a fight is the equivalent of playing TDM in a team based shooter game.

FW is a good way to learn PVP because:

People don't always want to fight, and will try to avoid it.
You don't always get fair fights.
You need to learn to use directional scanning.
You don't always have 100 people to call for backup if you get caught in a system or station.

The 'Turn on all your modules' aspect of Eve combat is minor... getting people to commit to fights or trapping them in a fight is the hardest part of all.

You can only learn that stuff on your own.
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#11 - 2012-08-17 14:22:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Danny John-Peter
Well, start with Cheap stuff, Frigs, T1 Cruisers and the like, they are not painful to lose and you can learn a lot.

From there, BCs are the gold standard for your average PVPer these days, cheap, plentiful and versatile.

Alternatively AFs are very popular these days, they are also very well balanced with all the AFs being extremely powerful in their own roles.

The Drake and Cane are the "Bog Standard" pew pew boats in the BC category but the Harbinger, Myrmidon, Brutix, Cyclone, Ferox are all valid for some fun times.


In regards to Logistics

Armour

Guardian > Onieros

The Oneiros is good in some situations, but the Guardian is the more accepted platform.

Shield

Scimitar ~ Basilisk

The Basi reps more and has less cap issues MWD fit, the Scimitar is faster so has more range control options, but both are fairly good they just require different flying styles.

There you go, now go decide how you want to explore these options.