Ships & Modules

Nope. Tiericide is exactly that. There is not meant to be a "best" exhumer anymore. The idea is that there are 3 Exhumers that each have benefits and drawbacks, and all are balanced with each other, so you can pick the best for your situation.

Unlike you I have a life so I don't spend all my time on Eve.

The Hulk got nerfed its pretty much useless compared to pre-patch. They need to tweak it again at the very least expand the Ore hold to something a bit more useful.

As for being tired of posts about mining ships... well your in the wrong forum. Go read something else.

The hulk has been buffed in every way excluding the cargohold. It now yields more and has a better tank. Only people like you who are using it incorrectly could see it as a nerf.

Only a toon that is barely able to fly a hulk, could have such a narrow minded view of its uses.

Leon

Oh and CCP has something to say to you.

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73098






Pay attention to yields stated too



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Wow how special... most miners run their own fleet. What would be the point otherwise.

As for CCP they can have their opinion, but the forums are for players to voice theirs.

The Hulk got nerfed - need to expanded the ore hold.

Cheers,
Leon

No actually its our game. They write the code, we pay the money and play it. If either end of the equation fails then there is no game. Not at least in the manner it exist now.


The hulk got nerfed. Needs to have the ore hold expanded.

Cheers,
Leon

No need. Communication can be done via forums.

Cheers,
Leon

Let's see now. Presuming all skills at level 5...

Hull: 3164 then, 2500 now. 21% nerf.
Armor: 1266 to 2250. 77.72% buff.
Shield: 1899 to 2750. 44.81% buff.

Total EHP: 9,217 to 10,891. 18.16% buff.

Well, hulks got a survivability buff it seems. Granted damage controls will no longer be as useful as they were pre-1.2, but it's still an overal buff.

Base ore yield with modulated lasers & T2 crystals: 1302 then, 1302 now. No buff, no nerf.
Base ice yield with T2 harvesters: 565 then, 600 now. 6.19% buff.

Well, ice yields got marginally buffed so in effect their total mining capacity was buffed, but their ore mining yield is identical to pre-1.2.

Base cargo capacity for holding ore: 8,000m3 then, 8,500m3 now. 6.25% buff.
Base cargo capacity for other stuff: 8,000m3 then, 350m3 now. 95.6255 nerf.

500m3 isn't a lot, but for people who flew tanked hulks or maximum yield hulks prior to 1.2 it's still a buff. The reduction in overall cargo is pretty harsh, but then the primary reason for it other than holding ore was to hold crystals which also got their volume cut in half. The odd number puzzles me given that it would take 375m3 to hold 15 T2 crystals, but meh. Regardless it's enough to hold 14 T2 crystals or 23 T1 crystals.

Now let's have some fun here. Let's look at how fittings can change things up a bit.

Pre-1.2 ice yield for the hulk was 565, but with the mining rig the 1.2 hulk pulls 682 for a 20.715 "buff."
Maximum ore capacity went from 18,727m3 to 9,319m3, a 50.24% nerf. Fairly heavy nerf if you weren't mining in a fleet. That's also using T2 cargo rigs. A more realistic comparison would be 17,199m3 to 9,252m3 or a 46.21% nerf.

Now pre-1.2 suicide ganking was a concern. In fact it still is, or at least should be for players with some intelligence. Pre-1.2 you could push 32,541 EHP fairly easily. Granted you had to use T1 strip miners to fit an MSE2 in, but there's slow and steady versus flash and burn. Now the hulk hits 34,211 with the same build, and while that's only a 5.13% buff it's still a buff. Of course on the flip side the hulk's shield recharge rate got nerfed from 468.8 to 750, nearly a 60% increase/nerf which in turn means that a buffer-tanked hulk's "tank" went from 119 DPS to 80 DPS for a 32.77% nerf.

So let's recap a bit here. Hulks have the exact same ore yield, better ice yield, more base EHP, more absolute buffer, worse passive "tank," less ability to hold 100 crystals, more ability to hold ore in a maximum tank/yield fit and is otherwise about the same as it was pre-1.2.

Well, except for the shield recharge which generally only matters significantly against belt rats and the cargo issue which matters significantly only for solo miners the numbers indicate that the hulk was buffed, not nerfed.

Now I'm sure that that cargo capacity was important to a lot of hulk miners, but I don't really have a lot of sympathy for them. Sure, I put cargo rigs on my hulks, but I never bothered with cargo expanders in the lows. I either mined with an industrial on-site to pick up jet-canned ore or with an orca to hold ore, and even with T1 strip miners high-sec asteroids generally pop fast enough that I have to change targets fairly frequently. Frequently enough, in fact, to make also moving ore around at the same time fairly trivial.

All things considered the hulk was, for me at least, buffed. Furthermore the changes seem like an effective way for CCP to "encourage" the players to properly tank hulks instead of just whining about suicide ganking. I mean the facts are same ore yield, better ice yield, more EHP, especially base and shield-related EHP values, and a slight buff to the ship's minimum ore-holding capacity all for the cost of maximum ore capacity and pasive tank.

You realize that the new mack has the same yield as the old max-crargo shtifit hulks you idiots used to fly; right?

wrong.

the hulk got buffed in every way INCLUDING cargo.

pre-patch, 8k cargo. post patch, 8.5k ore bay AND 350 cargo. do the maths.