EVE General Discussion

It's going to depend on numbers. I think the real issue is that a lot of people who think they fly a small, organized gang really aren't that great themselves.

For every extra account for the sole purpose of off grid boosting I bet there are 10 people who leave eve, or never play because they are not interested in "alts online."

Off grid boosting screws up the core of the game.

There will be a short term hit but the long term consequences for eve will far outweigh it. There may even be some boost of people who resub if this disease is cured.

1:10 is pretty harsh, but 1:1 or 1:2 I feel is a very realistic number. Same goes for absurd mechanics like neutral repping, they really don't help. But it all falls under the "Alts: how they are harming EVE" header.

Though I still firmly believe the current skill system with offline training are the main culprits. I was once asked how long it would take to max out turret skills. I asked "All of them? For all races and ships?" and the guy said "Yeah." I simply shrugged and said "Two years?" The guy let out a guffaw and I never saw him playing EVE ever again. The sad part is, I was almost spot-on, I checked later - 45 mil SP in turrets in total, at 2.5k/hr would take 2.05 years. Nobody is going to make this kind of commitment to an MMO. Being able to fly all ships perfectly? 5.5 years. Seriously? I may be dead, or married, or both in 5.5 years.

I think all these idea's are great. Fleet Command Ships should be just that, used for Fleets, but make them extremely hard to break so that they can last, and require them to be on the field to work. OGB's should only work for groups of 10 or less, imo which would be a nice buff to small gang PVP which rarely ever see's any love.

Nice post.

That's because you deliberately scared him away from the game. You should have described Eve's skills as like a series of cups. There's a relatively small base down at the bottom that is shared between them all, but any particular ship only has so much volume you can pour into it. Thus, the absolute SP "cap" is actually pretty low because I can only fly one ship at a time.

This means that it's fairly easy for a noob to fill up a few cups well enough to compete with me on a level playing field.

-Liang

That's because you have some weird obsession with everyone having their own booster alt. The simple fact of the matter is that a gang only needs one. I frequently fly without booster alts because I don't like the performance penalty during frapsing.

-Liang

Ed: Look man, I know you'd say and do literally anything to nerf off grid boosters. Better yet, you'd like to see everyone with any leadership skills trained wake up with 20k SP tomorrow morning. But let's try to keep the complete nonsense out of the thread. Just this once.

back on topic.

these self proclaimed "experts", that keep starting threads like they know all the answers to "why anything wont be anything" are getting lame.

why this wont happen
why that wont happen
why people wont stop posting threads with titles like this wont happen
blah blah blah I toot my own horn but don't know squat wont happen

wutevs

It is in no way equivalent to off grid remote repair. It should not be removed until the fundamentals of the system are fixed.

-Liang

Ed: Also, I think your post looks too much to null sec for determining why people PVP in small gangs. In low sec, we do it because it's fun. That's enough reason to play a game right?

I'm not going to bother responding to the rest of your post because we both know it's a complete bullshit strawman argument. However, the part I quoted is just flat wrong. People will probe out and attempt to kill you even if you "use and fit it properly". You have to remember that there's no such thing as "unprobeable" anymore.

-Liang

The extra boosts come from your shield booster, of course. That's like saying that skill training makes your armor reps come from God Himself. I literally don't give a flying **** about POS boosters. Prevent the activation of gank links in a POS for all I care. But the rest of this is people talking about things they haven't a clue about.

-Liang