Ships & Modules

Make posts with some substance and/or an argument on what is wrong/right.

Gaping resist holes on PvP ships. Cap stability on mission ships. A limited engagement range on any ship when coupled with a lack of ability to dictate range. Any ship that ignores the issues of tracking or explosion radius/velocity.

Choose a single purpose for a ship, fit it exclusively to perform for that purpose.
(no salvager on pvp ships, dont blend long and short range mods, etc)

Don't blend different modules doing the same thing unless they synergize with each other.
(extra armour resist go with armour plates, shield booster doesn't)

Don't over stack mods of the same type is one important thing. There is a point (Usually 2 sometimes 3) when a Module has a stacking penalty that when the penalty is enough you'll want to allocate the other empty slots to something else, even if stat gain by the other item thing isn't as important to your ships goal as mod under penalty. For instance adding a TC or LSE or Sebo to a fit instead of a third invuln field even though for Logi's sake high resists are an important goal. A TE instead of a forth damage mod as the TE will help you project the damage you have over adding a smidge more or a Nano which will help get you into range faster to apply said damage.

Getting the most out of each slot is important and while a ship should be focused contingency is not a bad thing. Like a Hurricane designed to kite at 20km fitting 2 Energy Neutralizers instead of Missiles. Optimally the unsupported Missiles will add some DPS to your ship at kitting range and the Neuts will be useless at said range, if things go wrong and you find they close range the effectiveness of said neutralizers is often much higher then the missiles. In this case more often then not a player will choose the neuts for this reason.

On the opposite to meet certain goals sometimes important things have to be cut as well. IE flying a blaster ship without a cap booster because you need a web or more shield tank. While there is risk of your weapons going offline in instances of heavy neuting you have to ask yourself is it worth losing whatever else that could be fit there to deal with such a scenario. This leaves some setups with vulnerabilities which at certain times can be exploited fatally, sometimes to the effect of turning your mainline warship into a pumpkin before it gets to the ball. You need to look at such instances of that happening and decide if it is worth it to have a blind slot when closing said hole will leave you at a disadvantage against every other tactic.

So while focusing a ship is important and contingency is important, finding a balance is what will get you the most out of a ship. Understanding of each ship and each module and how they interact with your ship and that of your opponents along with an understanding of common use tactics and setups allows you to reasonably get the most out of your ship in most situations...

I actually disagree with this. Though on a different topic.

I fit cheaply specifically so I can die. For me, a good death serves as a very good lesson. I wouldn't know diddly about kiting if I didn't die so many times from doing it wrong. So I fitted the cheapest gear possible so that I can figure out where I went wrong.

I see what you're saying though.

The first point is 99.99% accurate, but there are very rare, and very niche "I wanna have fun and be a snowflake" fits that really need to take the lumps of a CPR for that extra capacitor. These fits, however, are few and far between and very, very niche/snowflake and as such should never be used as the basis for serious discussions except, when relavent, to note that they do exist subsequently making absolute statements troublesome at best.

The second statement is absolutely true so long as drone navigation CPUs, tracking computers/enhancers, painters, and even webbers and their corresponding rigs and (when drone bay is sufficient to warrant the excess) drones. If a ship needs the lows for tank and/or fitting modules it's not necessarily a failfit if it has rDPS->eDPS conversion augmentors in the mid slots. Painters, TCs, and the like might not be as effective, or as obvious in EFT, as magstabs and heat sinks, but they do help the job get done faster regardless.

*blink*

Um, on a lot of basic L4 fits it's hard to _not_ achieve cap stability. The Dominix, for instance. What is there to put on that **** besides drone augments, cap control, and reppers?

Turrets? Ha ha no.

RAINBOW LAZORZ

What I find interesting is how close a "failfit" can be to "thinking out of the box" (if you dont count all the obvious cases of mixed guns and mixed armor/shield tanks, even if that probably have some application too, somewhere).

All fits that stray from the mainstream, vanilla fits every hull have goes towards either a highly specialized, situational fit or a fail-fit. Sometimes you need to know the context to decide what you are looking at.

Is this a fail-fit?

[Thrasher]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Warp Disruptor II
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script

280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S
[empty high slot]

Small Projectile Collision Accelerator I
Small Targeting System Subcontroller I
Small Ancillary Current Router I


Another interesting thing is that there always seems to be exceptions to any 'hard' rule. There are, for instance, ships where anything except a fit acording to the above statement is most likely a failfit. It's funny, and makes Eve interesting.

PvE Dominix? Yes, turrets. Or you're wasting damage potential.

And even if you don't fit turrets (which don't have that much to do with cap stability anyway), you should be using omnilinks/naviputers, a prop mod, and more DDAs. Cap mods don't have to go everywhere.

I'll admit something like PvE Drakes being an exception. They don't necessarily have something to gain from a prop mod, and apart from that, the only cap-consuming modules are shield hardeners and maybe a tractor or something, which aren't enough to gulp down even SPR-nerfed cap regen.

Also this:
And the point I was trying to make about the Dominix - if it's stable, you're probably sacrificing something.