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A NEW EVE News web site! And you're going to love the name...

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Christy D Floyd
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2012-08-14 18:05:40 UTC
Andski wrote:
Christy D Floyd wrote:
Sounds like a scam to me but I could be wrong send me 2mil isk to verify that it is not a scam.


the newbies we recruit are from outside the game

i can't believe people don't know this



Let me see which is worse... running naked through a cornfield backwards, showering with jerry sandusky or joining goons. Either way your going to be butt raped.

Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons.

Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#42 - 2012-08-14 18:09:07 UTC
Love it, very well written +1
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#43 - 2012-08-14 18:11:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Christy D Floyd wrote:
Andski wrote:
Christy D Floyd wrote:
Sounds like a scam to me but I could be wrong send me 2mil isk to verify that it is not a scam.


the newbies we recruit are from outside the game

i can't believe people don't know this



Let me see which is worse... running naked through a cornfield backwards, showering with jerry sandusky or joining goons. Either way your going to be butt raped.


I do love that people manage to downplay our success by saying that we somehow got to where we are now by abusing our members.

If that was the case, the website we're discussing wouldn't exist.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#44 - 2012-08-14 18:11:34 UTC
No More Heroes wrote:
Vincent Gaines wrote:
Cadfael Maelgwyn wrote:
Looks classy.



Especially the FilipinoCupid.com ad.



You do realize that Google Adsense fills in those ads based upon your browsing habits right?


You don't use Ghostery and privacy programs do you?

brb

Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2012-08-14 18:19:04 UTC
Christy D Floyd wrote:
Andski wrote:
Christy D Floyd wrote:
Sounds like a scam to me but I could be wrong send me 2mil isk to verify that it is not a scam.


the newbies we recruit are from outside the game

i can't believe people don't know this



Let me see which is worse... running naked through a cornfield backwards, showering with jerry sandusky or joining goons. Either way your going to be butt raped.


I get treated like a human being and I'm not even an alliance member let alone a member of goonwaffe.
Marconus Orion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2012-08-14 18:20:14 UTC
If CCP ever closes down the server that guy will not know what to do with his life. lol
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#47 - 2012-08-14 18:22:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Marconus Orion wrote:
If CCP ever closes down the server that guy will not know what to do with his life. lol


Pretty sure he'll just buy a yacht, have a gigantic Dr. Strangelove vinyl sticker stuck on the side and sail the seas.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#48 - 2012-08-14 18:22:00 UTC
Aruken Marr wrote:
Christy D Floyd wrote:
Andski wrote:
Christy D Floyd wrote:
Sounds like a scam to me but I could be wrong send me 2mil isk to verify that it is not a scam.


the newbies we recruit are from outside the game

i can't believe people don't know this



Let me see which is worse... running naked through a cornfield backwards, showering with jerry sandusky or joining goons. Either way your going to be butt raped.


I get treated like a human being and I'm not even an alliance member let alone a member of goonwaffe.



Pssst, don't you ever dare to tell nerds they can actually find friends and intelligent people in goons!!!

If they all apply to CFC alliances then what's left for .DOT and lots of DOT's alliances??? heh? I'm asking you !!

brb

Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2012-08-14 18:37:17 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Aruken Marr wrote:
Christy D Floyd wrote:
Andski wrote:
Christy D Floyd wrote:
Sounds like a scam to me but I could be wrong send me 2mil isk to verify that it is not a scam.


the newbies we recruit are from outside the game

i can't believe people don't know this



Let me see which is worse... running naked through a cornfield backwards, showering with jerry sandusky or joining goons. Either way your going to be butt raped.


I get treated like a human being and I'm not even an alliance member let alone a member of goonwaffe.



Pssst, don't you ever dare to tell nerds they can actually find friends and intelligent people in goons!!!

If they all apply to CFC alliances then what's left for .DOT and lots of DOT's alliances??? heh? I'm asking you !!


Havn't you heard? The plan is to set the entirety of EVE blue!
Riall
Doomheim
#50 - 2012-08-14 18:37:57 UTC
I read a few of the articles, news items, and columns. It is definitely worth the time for anyone serious about Eve Online.

At the same time, it's rather depressing for a casual player or "Eve-born" as The Mittani would label me. The reason is that the quality of the articles and expressed opinions allows one to develop a clearer picture of the metagame, or so it seems to me.

I'll try to summarize the impression that I got from reading several of the articles and columns including "The Eve-Born", "Jita Burns", "Fear, Loathing and Exploding Stations", "120 Days and Counting: The South On Fire" and others.

There are many levels of struggle occurring in the Eve universe. While many of us see only the next fight, the next corp op, the next POS bash... etc., there is a larger battle being waged at the level of player populations. The articles outline macroeconomic manipulation of hi-sec populations (small corporations and alliances not affiliated with large null-sec power blocs) to the extent that a single player-bloc controls T2 production. They are exercising this control to attempt to establish lasting monopolies.

While lesser groups fight for territory, one group in the game wages a battle for overall dominance.

Why is this depressing? It allows one to better see the tight-rope of maintaining Eve.

In one sense, it is very like the real world where very large corporations or cartels make it nearly impossible for a small businesses to last because every field of endeavor is dominated by a large cartel. For playing Eve, it means that it is impossible for a single player, or small group of players to sign up and play at anywhere close to that level. The moment a small corp tries to play the economic game, they must face these massive blocs of players. Over time, it will be harder and harder to sustain player populations that do not include the community-born, as The Mittani labels them. Those players that came to Eve because they simply wanted to play a space-oriented MMO will move on to other games.

I suspect that CCP understand this at several levels and have been tugging the line back into place with the recent patches. The tight-rope they have to walk is stretched taught between alienation of these large power blocs and retention of Eve-born players.

While it is amazing to see the game of Eve played at such a level, it makes one mildly sad to think that such a level of play is therefore inaccessible to most. If that's the end game of Eve, very few of us will ever get to play it. This realization might cause people to leave the game, while too much disruption of the metagame could have the same effect.

tl;dr
Losing the feeling of being powerful, and making a difference, can lead to people going elsewhere for the experience.

PS: Please do not read this as a "Goon's ruined Eve" post, it isn't intended as such.

[center] "Buy PLEX, don't be a space butt"[/center]

[center] Keepin' it... me.[/center]

No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#51 - 2012-08-14 19:02:55 UTC  |  Edited by: No More Heroes
Riall wrote:
tl;dr
Losing the feeling of being powerful, and making a difference, can lead to people going elsewhere for the experience.

PS: Please do not read this as a "Goon's ruined Eve" post, it isn't intended as such.


The beauty of Eve is that there are no badges or gear you can poopsock or grind to give you 'power' over other players. To be ~powerful~ in this game to a large degree requires social skills. Something lacking in many gaming communities. We have people infiltrate corporations and alliances all the time and become powerful enough to destroy them from within. By means of a keen intellect and social skills.

Eve is the thinking mans' MMO and in order to be truely powerful you should find your niche (what you enjoy) and do your best at it. Making a difference is entirely dependent upon your goals or "role" in a role-playing game. White knight, dastardly villain, etc.

.

Riall
Doomheim
#52 - 2012-08-14 19:40:46 UTC
No More Heroes wrote:

Eve is the thinking mans' MMO and in order to be truely powerful you should find your niche (what you enjoy) and do your best at it. Making a difference is entirely dependent upon your goals or "role" in a role-playing game. White knight, dastardly villain, etc.

Except that it is increasingly difficult to find any niche in Eve that is not touched by the machinery of the large power blocs. For example, Faction Warfare would, to the naive, seem to be a refuge from the economic game where there is a framework to "make a difference" in the role of "loyalist combat pilot". How does one examine the manipulation of Minmatar Faction Warfare and not come to the conclusion that the "real game" lies in the manipulation?

One can only be content with small-beans excellence ("I'm good at running FW sites with Stealth Bombers, maybe now Gallente will take some territory" Cool ) if one does not see the larger game. The point being, ignorance is bliss, but in a "thinking man's MMO", most players would naturally allow curiosity to tear away the veil.

I didn't say it was impossible to be good at a role in Eve, just that's it's difficult to remain satisfied with that role when you see the bigger game.

[center] "Buy PLEX, don't be a space butt"[/center]

[center] Keepin' it... me.[/center]

Remnant Madeveda
Apex Mining and Industry
Caldari Alliance
#53 - 2012-08-14 19:49:30 UTC
Really that depends on what you do with your time. I mean I know if one person was extremely dedicated to it they could in fact crash out the market on any given resource that is available. You'd have to have the capital to do it, but it's possible. You could also single-handedly tear a corp that is powerful down around it's own ears if you so chose to. I mean we've seen things like that happen in the past right, BoB and similar? The wonderful thing is yeah it may seem like you're limited unless you are part of the large power bloc, but in reality you have as much potential to affect this game as anyone else. A hell of alot more chance to change things in this universe than in real life.
FluffyDice
Kronos Research
#54 - 2012-08-14 20:25:18 UTC
Needs a real life advice section. Plenty of good advice has been given in the past.
Robus Muvila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#55 - 2012-08-14 20:57:14 UTC
As the lead Dev of TheMittani.com I am saddened and hurt by all these comments claiming that what we have created is just another propaganda mouthpiece when that really couldn't be further from the truth.


We're actually a facade for The Mittani's new enterprise expansion into the business of selling space crack. Cool

TMC Senior Developer http://themittani.com - Because EvE has needed a proper news site for ages

Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#56 - 2012-08-14 20:58:34 UTC
Robus Muvila wrote:
As the lead Dev of TheMittani.com I am saddened and hurt by all these comments claiming that what we have created is just another propaganda mouthpiece when that really couldn't be further from the truth.


We're actually a facade for The Mittani's new enterprise expansion into the business of selling space crack. Cool


You did a damn good job, btw.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Robus Muvila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#57 - 2012-08-14 20:58:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Robus Muvila
Robus Muvila wrote:
As the lead Dev of TheMittani.com I am saddened and hurt by all these comments claiming that what we have created is just another propaganda mouthpiece when that really couldn't be further from the truth.


We're actually a facade for The Mittani's new enterprise expansion into the business of selling space crack. Cool



"Take a hit of this dude. It will take you places... Like Cloud Ring... Where you can mine or something"

God dammit. The quote and the edit button are so close to eachother.


Andski wrote:

You did a damn good job, btw.


It wasn't just me, there was a balanced and highly talented team behind this handling design and coding, and I won't hog all the love. But I also won't go shouting their name to the heavens because I know some of them don't relish the spotlight.

TMC Senior Developer http://themittani.com - Because EvE has needed a proper news site for ages

Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2012-08-14 21:18:09 UTC
Riall wrote:
No More Heroes wrote:

Eve is the thinking mans' MMO and in order to be truely powerful you should find your niche (what you enjoy) and do your best at it. Making a difference is entirely dependent upon your goals or "role" in a role-playing game. White knight, dastardly villain, etc.

Except that it is increasingly difficult to find any niche in Eve that is not touched by the machinery of the large power blocs. For example, Faction Warfare would, to the naive, seem to be a refuge from the economic game where there is a framework to "make a difference" in the role of "loyalist combat pilot". How does one examine the manipulation of Minmatar Faction Warfare and not come to the conclusion that the "real game" lies in the manipulation?

One can only be content with small-beans excellence ("I'm good at running FW sites with Stealth Bombers, maybe now Gallente will take some territory" Cool ) if one does not see the larger game. The point being, ignorance is bliss, but in a "thinking man's MMO", most players would naturally allow curiosity to tear away the veil.

I didn't say it was impossible to be good at a role in Eve, just that's it's difficult to remain satisfied with that role when you see the bigger game.


Power blocs of null sec rely on empire just as much as you all rely on us in null sec to keep the game interesting.

I hope TheMittani.com gets a good empire writer such as someone from EVE Uni or RvB. He's seriously looking for skilled writers, not one sided points of view. So far, from what I've read the content is by far more logically stated and seems to not come from any personal frustration other than a need for a site that doesn't EVER state an opposing side.

Dual Pane idea: Click!

CCP Please Implement

The Groundskeeper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#59 - 2012-08-14 22:21:43 UTC
Since ISD thought this thread was better than mine :( here is the official announcement!


Hold The Front Page
TheMittani dot com


If you wake up in the morning and want to find out what happened in Eve while you slept, where do you go? If you are in a major nullsec alliance you probably go to jabber or chat channels and ask someone, or check forums for an update post. But the former leads to you being trolled by those merry japesters in your squad into believing that you have been invaded by Pandemic Legion and are evacuating to empire, while the updates only happen every few days or so at best.

There are a couple of eve news websites, but one, the archaic Tribune, is published fortnightly in some steam-powered 19th century factory while the other is Riverini’s cesspit of barely-literate squawkings and openly propagandistic flatulence poorly masquerading as language. Fact-checking is laughable, and relying on what you read there will get you laughed at when you repeat his paranoid rantings or obvious sock-puppeting.

Other news sources exist in the form of forums, ranging from the enjoyably coruscating Forum That Does Not Speak Its Name to the barely tolerable, well, here, but Eve lacks a broad-based source of news and insight. We think that it is time to fix that.

TheMittani dot com

I know what you are thinking: this time he has gone too far. Has our own Ozymandias erected an entire site dedicated to the worship and adoration of the Dear Leader? Will he arrange vast, coordinated dancing displays in front of the Peoples’ Palace complete with World of Tanks parades and rifter flypasts?

In fact, I chose the name TheMittani.com while Mittens wanted the new site to be called some dreary and worthy sobriquet: "Eve News Network" or something wearily quotidian like that. I’ve literally forgotten. The fact is that "The Mittani" is a brand these days, and I wanted to make use of it: it’s provocative, it’s well-known, it’s distinctive and most important of all it was available as a dot com domain at a reasonable price…

If we’ve learned one thing from the life and works of Noam Chomsky it is that there is still good money to be made by churning out articles with the old Random Postmodern Essay Generator, slapping your name on them and sticking in a bit about how all Americans are bastards at the top. But if we have learned anything else from his work, it is that it is impossible to entirely divorce a news source from the biases of its proprietors. We realise this, and I have already been prevented from running a scathing expose on Mittens' use of chin-wigs during photo shoots for the CSM campaign. But this isn’t about controlling the news cycle or disseminating propaganda. Nor is it just about sticking it to Riverini, although that is a fun by-product.

Our goal is to turn TheMittani.com into somewhere that everyone wants to come to read up-to-date news and insightful articles on Eve Online (and a few of the games that Eve Online players tend to enjoy, like World of Tanks, MWO, League of Legends and the like). We won’t do that by churning out attack pieces on everyone we happen to be at war with. So we already have writers on-board from other alliances like The Initiative and Pandemic Legion, as well as the mysterious epic poet James315 (from who knows where?), and we hope to draw upon sources across all of Eve as people learn that we’re interested in providing news and insight, not just propaganda.

Since going live, we have had interest in writing for the site from members of Black Legion, Nulli Secunda and others who are not just unaligned with Goonswarm but who are actively hostile to us. We hope to be able to publish their unedited accounts of the fighting to provide a fair and even-handed source of news for you, the Eve player.
Vena Saris
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#60 - 2012-08-14 22:29:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Vena Saris
Riall wrote:
I read a few of the articles, news items, and columns. It is definitely worth the time for anyone serious about Eve Online.

At the same time, it's rather depressing for a casual player or "Eve-born" as The Mittani would label me. The reason is that the quality of the articles and expressed opinions allows one to develop a clearer picture of the metagame, or so it seems to me.

I'll try to summarize the impression that I got from reading several of the articles and columns including "The Eve-Born", "Jita Burns", "Fear, Loathing and Exploding Stations", "120 Days and Counting: The South On Fire" and others.

There are many levels of struggle occurring in the Eve universe. While many of us see only the next fight, the next corp op, the next POS bash... etc., there is a larger battle being waged at the level of player populations. The articles outline macroeconomic manipulation of hi-sec populations (small corporations and alliances not affiliated with large null-sec power blocs) to the extent that a single player-bloc controls T2 production. They are exercising this control to attempt to establish lasting monopolies.

While lesser groups fight for territory, one group in the game wages a battle for overall dominance.

Why is this depressing? It allows one to better see the tight-rope of maintaining Eve.

In one sense, it is very like the real world where very large corporations or cartels make it nearly impossible for a small businesses to last because every field of endeavor is dominated by a large cartel. For playing Eve, it means that it is impossible for a single player, or small group of players to sign up and play at anywhere close to that level. The moment a small corp tries to play the economic game, they must face these massive blocs of players. Over time, it will be harder and harder to sustain player populations that do not include the community-born, as The Mittani labels them. Those players that came to Eve because they simply wanted to play a space-oriented MMO will move on to other games.

I suspect that CCP understand this at several levels and have been tugging the line back into place with the recent patches. The tight-rope they have to walk is stretched taught between alienation of these large power blocs and retention of Eve-born players.

While it is amazing to see the game of Eve played at such a level, it makes one mildly sad to think that such a level of play is therefore inaccessible to most. If that's the end game of Eve, very few of us will ever get to play it. This realization might cause people to leave the game, while too much disruption of the metagame could have the same effect.

tl;dr
Losing the feeling of being powerful, and making a difference, can lead to people going elsewhere for the experience.

PS: Please do not read this as a "Goon's ruined Eve" post, it isn't intended as such.


YOLO bro, YOLO.