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Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-08-14 17:40:26 UTC
china restricts all internet, not jut eve or games. if you want to have a game in china you must have the servers in china and you can't simply port over content. WOW china is like 3 expansions behind real wow. same with eve iirc.
if you google search in china you get thins only china's govt allows you to see, you cannot access, say, american google
this is referred to as the great firewall of china.

there are some cities in china without the restrictions such as hong kong.
Josef Djugashvilis
#22 - 2012-08-14 17:41:40 UTC
Chinese government political control

This is not a signature.
Elvis Fett
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-08-14 18:13:17 UTC
Jim Era wrote:
because chinese government sucks hairy monkey nuts and doesn't have free speech...therefore they have to make a different version of **** to show to those poor imprisoned manufacturers

censorship etc

You are both correct and the reason. The Chinese gov't doesn't want their people reading things like that.
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#24 - 2012-08-14 18:13:52 UTC
If the Chinese server did somehow get connected to Tranquility, what would happen?

MinerBumping.com
Kallicakes
The Unknown Bar and Pub
#25 - 2012-08-14 18:20:23 UTC
James 315 wrote:
If the Chinese server did somehow get connected to Tranquility, what would happen?


Chinese versions of Russian RMT-ers? All I know is that the squiggles in local would change a bit.

It's interesting to note that there are Chinese alliances on TQ, most notably Pangu down in Delve. They're actually really cool guys, and hate it when you call them Japanese.
Fiachra Shine
Pariah Army
#26 - 2012-08-14 18:45:51 UTC
Cadfael Maelgwyn wrote:
Because communism.


No. Because totalitarian state capitalism.

If you don't know the difference look it up.

If dictionary definitions of communism now indicate such politics as can be found in China, North Korea, Cuba, the old CCCP and the like then we are being subjected to censorship too.

Claiming to be communist doesn't make you communist. Who thinks The Democratic Republic of the Congo was democratic? Or a republic?

Sheesh
Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-08-14 18:49:05 UTC
Won't happen but it would be great to have all those players on TQ.
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#28 - 2012-08-14 18:53:05 UTC
James 315 wrote:
If the Chinese server did somehow get connected to Tranquility, what would happen?



I'll give you a hint

TQ: http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png


SRN: http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/VeriteChina/Cinfluence.png

FC, what do?
Anslo
Scope Works
#29 - 2012-08-14 18:56:09 UTC
James 315 wrote:
If the Chinese server did somehow get connected to Tranquility, what would happen?


I wish. The ensuing war would be glorious. I'd actually want to go back to nul then.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Spy 21
Doomheim
#30 - 2012-08-14 18:58:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Spy 21
ISD TYPE40 wrote:
Trolling, racism and a wilful lack of understanding aside, there are reasons why internet activities in mainland China are restricted. Here is a handy link explaining some of those reasons.

DISCLAIMER* Please note that while the link I provided is not comprehensive, and due to its publicly editable nature may show bias, it does nonetheless provide some basic facts.

Internet Censorship in China


TL;DR: In order for EVE to be brought to as wide an audience as possible, CCP had to conform to local laws in the areas they wanted to operate in.


Hope this helps answer your question - ISD Type40.


If so many western corporations didn't completely cave in to the Chinese government and participate in their censorship practices, then the Chinese people might eventually be able to have a future without it. Unfortunately, money seems to mean more than principles when it comes to the subject of human rights, freedom of speech and doing business in the Peoples Republic.

S

Obfuscation for the WIN on page 3...
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#31 - 2012-08-14 18:59:05 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Picture this; Goonswarm double the size and permeating high and lowsec so that one alliance literally owns EVERYTHING just to rub it in the face of Westerners and say CHINA #1 because they KNOW our asses won't work together.

That's why.


Serenity Influence Map

The rumours about one alliance holding all the sov on Serenity seems to be just that, a rumour.

Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims.
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#32 - 2012-08-14 19:14:00 UTC
Spy 21 wrote:
ISD TYPE40 wrote:
Trolling, racism and a wilful lack of understanding aside, there are reasons why internet activities in mainland China are restricted. Here is a handy link explaining some of those reasons.

DISCLAIMER* Please note that while the link I provided is not comprehensive, and due to its publicly editable nature may show bias, it does nonetheless provide some basic facts.

Internet Censorship in China


TL;DR: In order for EVE to be brought to as wide an audience as possible, CCP had to conform to local laws in the areas they wanted to operate in.


Hope this helps answer your question - ISD Type40.


If so many western corporations didn't completely cave in to the Chinese government and participate in their censorship practices, then the Chinese people might eventually be able to have a future without it. Unfortunately, money seems to mean more than principles when it comes to the subject of human rights, freedom of speech and doing business in the Peoples Republic.

S



That would not work. China would just revert back to its pre-1899 policies and nullify its open door policies.

FC, what do?
Cadfael Maelgwyn
Doomheim
#33 - 2012-08-14 20:03:37 UTC
highonpop wrote:
Spy 21 wrote:
ISD TYPE40 wrote:
Trolling, racism and a wilful lack of understanding aside, there are reasons why internet activities in mainland China are restricted. Here is a handy link explaining some of those reasons.

DISCLAIMER* Please note that while the link I provided is not comprehensive, and due to its publicly editable nature may show bias, it does nonetheless provide some basic facts.

Internet Censorship in China


TL;DR: In order for EVE to be brought to as wide an audience as possible, CCP had to conform to local laws in the areas they wanted to operate in.


Hope this helps answer your question - ISD Type40.


If so many western corporations didn't completely cave in to the Chinese government and participate in their censorship practices, then the Chinese people might eventually be able to have a future without it. Unfortunately, money seems to mean more than principles when it comes to the subject of human rights, freedom of speech and doing business in the Peoples Republic.

S



That would not work. China would just revert back to its pre-1899 policies and nullify its open door policies.

Says who?
Cypreion
Robux Industries
#34 - 2012-08-14 20:34:12 UTC
ISD TYPE40 wrote:
Trolling, racism and a wilful lack of understanding aside, there are reasons why internet activities in mainland China are restricted. Here is a handy link explaining some of those reasons.

DISCLAIMER* Please note that while the link I provided is not comprehensive, and due to its publicly editable nature may show bias, it does nonetheless provide some basic facts.

Internet Censorship in China


TL;DR: In order for EVE to be brought to as wide an audience as possible, CCP had to conform to local laws in the areas they wanted to operate in.


Hope this helps answer your question - ISD Type40.



Are you defending it? It sounds as if you are rationalizing government censorship.
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#35 - 2012-08-14 21:37:32 UTC
Cadfael Maelgwyn wrote:
highonpop wrote:
Spy 21 wrote:
ISD TYPE40 wrote:
Trolling, racism and a wilful lack of understanding aside, there are reasons why internet activities in mainland China are restricted. Here is a handy link explaining some of those reasons.

DISCLAIMER* Please note that while the link I provided is not comprehensive, and due to its publicly editable nature may show bias, it does nonetheless provide some basic facts.

Internet Censorship in China


TL;DR: In order for EVE to be brought to as wide an audience as possible, CCP had to conform to local laws in the areas they wanted to operate in.


Hope this helps answer your question - ISD Type40.


If so many western corporations didn't completely cave in to the Chinese government and participate in their censorship practices, then the Chinese people might eventually be able to have a future without it. Unfortunately, money seems to mean more than principles when it comes to the subject of human rights, freedom of speech and doing business in the Peoples Republic.

S



That would not work. China would just revert back to its pre-1899 policies and nullify its open door policies.

Says who?



eh, well, maybe they couldn't. they own too much of the US's debt

FC, what do?
Cadfael Maelgwyn
Doomheim
#36 - 2012-08-14 22:23:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Cadfael Maelgwyn
Fiachra Shine wrote:
Cadfael Maelgwyn wrote:
Because communism.


No. Because totalitarian state capitalism.

OK.

Communism is a form of an economy where the State owns the means of production.

The phrase 'state capitalism' just means that the State is participating as a capitalistic entity in the world economy.

They're both the same thing, and have their origins in the same Marxist ideas.
Fiachra Shine
Pariah Army
#37 - 2012-08-15 06:00:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Fiachra Shine
Cadfael Maelgwyn wrote:
Fiachra Shine wrote:
Cadfael Maelgwyn wrote:
Because communism.


No. Because totalitarian state capitalism.

OK.

Communism is a form of an economy where the State owns the means of production.

The phrase 'state capitalism' just means that the State is participating as a capitalistic entity in the world economy.

They're both the same thing, and have their origins in the same Marxist ideas.


Communism = community-owned resources.
State capitalism = state-owned resources.

So unless community = state they are not the same thing.

And anyway, both terms are misused in reference to systems in which resources are government-owned.

Community /= state /= government, so I suppose I was as linguistically inaccurate as you.


edit: Forgot to mention that both ideas are millennia older than Karl Marx. Brehon Law was rife with communist ideals 3500 years ago, and early Sparta was the epitome of state capitalism.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#38 - 2012-08-15 06:23:43 UTC
Cleaned up the thread a little. No personal attacks please, it doesn't accomplish anything.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Senior Lead

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department
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