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Logistics of deep roaming?

Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-08-13 23:49:24 UTC
So I was going to head way out into the boonies of low, and parts of null. I was wondering how most people go about transporting items, and having enough cap boosters, and ammo?

Was going to use a pilgrim for probing, and handle all the code breaking salvaging etc... and be in support with drones; while another combat character in a drake,cane,cyclone etc does the main tanking/combat.

Should I get a cloaky transport, and build ships/fit em or are there enough stations with supplies 40+ jumps out? Or should I just bite the bullet and use a cloaky tengu or loki for the main to make progress easier?

Thanks for the info.
Jaison Savrin
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-08-14 00:32:12 UTC
This is just me guessing and I could be catastrophically wrong but I'll hazard sharing my thoughts....

One option is to live out of a nearby NPC station. There is sometimes a market there but in NPC Null and Lowsec there are Corps like Push Industries, Red Frog and Black Frog who will move things to you for a price using Jump Freighters and the like. (Only in NPC areas).

Another would be to have a cloaky hauler and make regular shopping trips.

It really depends on how much you need moved and how fast.
Cap James Tkirk
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-08-14 16:42:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Cap James Tkirk
As the above poster said, use black frog or one of the transport groups thats the easiest most cost effective.

I would suggest a second acct for scanning & scouting as well, and always remember even if you think they are not everyone wants to pod you that paranoia can save your money making ship frequently.

for little stuff like ammo & moduels either in or out of yur new home, a transport ship like the PROWLER would suffice.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#4 - 2012-08-14 17:00:14 UTC
I've done fine using a Viator to get everything I need to a base of operations (and everything I want to sell back out). Since I use a T3 and am usually in low sec, I actually keep an interdiction nullifier near each null gate to scout for bubbles before committing.

Ammo is the biggest problem; expect to haul a lot of that around unless you care to produce locally. I tried that for a bit and quickly decided that it wasn't worth my while to keep up a infrastructure for T2 and by then I was pretty fond of having faction as an option as well -- so that went right out and now it's just a monthly haul (orders are always up in high). If you run any tag-gated complexes I suggest you do the same with the tags you need.
RaVeN Alliance
#5 - 2012-08-14 17:29:52 UTC
I run two T3's out. One is my trusty Tengu and the other is a Loki or Proteus tha does all the probing, codebreaking, salvaging, etc.
I keep an extra 4000 missiles in the seconds cargo hold. This setup generally lasts me 2 nights, out one night for 20 jumps or so, then back in the next night. I log out in space wherever I get tired of flying.

When you get familiar with a particular region, you can find a quiet station to stock up. But if your new in an area, you can get camped in and 2 or 3 guys can waste your whole night. I prefer not to dock.
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-08-14 17:55:27 UTC
Well i do have 2 accounts.... but I dont think I can fit everything I need (a packaged pilgrim is 10k in space) and a prowler holds 8k+. But perhaps it's easier to contract the combat ships out, and then head out in a prowler and blueprints.
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2012-08-15 01:24:20 UTC
Remote logistics is often a bit of a challenge. While I have precious little lowsec experience I have run prolonged ops in remote, unsupported, areas of nullsec and, more often, w-space.

A number of options are available, varying from the sublime to the ridiculous:
1. If it’s NPC owned territory then use an NPC station and resupply yourself by either buying stuff there, if it has a decent market, or ferrying it in using whatever you have available (e.g. JF, standard industrials, or blockade runners).
2. If you have NPC or friendly territory nearby it may be easier to simply access it for your logistics needs.
3. Otherwise you’re going to have to live rough by either –
a. Heading yourself to hisec or other suitable NPC areas whenever you need stuff;
b. Bringing an orca (rorqual or carrier) alt in to provide resupply and logistics support;
c. Setting up a POS and using it to cache your resupply stuff;
d. Bring in blockade runner loads of resupply stuff when you need it; or
e. Setting up anchored cans and filling them with resupply stuff, using blockade runners, in advance.

Most often I use anchored cans as a cache for my resupply items. One time I brought in an orca – which was great but a constant source of will-I-lose-it-today anxiety.

I use blockade runners intensively for this – mainly the prowler. I first move my stuff to a convenient hisec entry point (not always the closest since the more direct route is often way more troubled than some of the less direct options) in either a bog-standard hauler, an orca, or a freighter.

From there I would use my prowler, usually making several runs, to carry Giant Secure Containers with my stuff into system. I then anchor and bookmark those containers, and they become my resupply and storage depot. My prowlers are usually fit for GTFO and so can only carry one GSC, and some extra stuff, per run. They can be fit to carry two per run, and I expect other race’s blockade runner probably carry two more easily … but are not as manoeuvrable or fast.
I keep ammo and alternative ship fittings in those cans. When I wanted to change my fitting I’d grab the fittings from the can and head to a suitable station, outpost, or POS to refit … bringing the old gear back to the can.
Ammo was easy enough, just grab from the can and resupply the can (prowler) as needed, except for drones.
When I gather worthwhile loot I drop it into the cans where it waits until I next head out somewhere more civilised.

One such deployment I did take the orca in with me. It was great having that facility available in-system, but I worried a lot about losing the orca. Usually now, when I am camping w-systems in this way, I have an orca filled with everything I think I might need, docked in the hisec station that the WH accesses. When I need to come up for air, I scan down the hisec access route, and either move the orca to the new hisec system or send a cheetah / prowler out from the orca to resupply me.

When I quit the system I just do the opposite, using the prowler to remove the cans and their contents.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.