EVE General Discussion

T3s seriously need to not be able to fleet boost better than a dedicated command ship, its ridiculous, so yeah limiting their ability to boost large gangs AND be offgrid AND be almost unprobable needs to go.

For the people whining that command ships cant be used in main fleets, really? 200k ehp not enough? Command ships are fine and fully usable but should be limited to on grid. T3s being better at almost everythign than dedicated ships is whats wrong.

No, very few actually. The fact you argue "a lot" doesn't mean whatever truth you believe yourself. Truth is majority of players think combat boosting should be on gridd, just because you make yourself a little vocal in this thread doesn't mean you're right, not more than me by the way but since this is a social pvp gaming experience, the use of alts is already bad, the use of boosting alts is really really bad when you could do the same thing with other players instead.

So what in the end? -a few rage quitting nerds will leave (for a couple months) but in the end this game will become better so, CCP and Eve has everything to win with the change and very few, if not "nothing at all" except a couple replaceable nerds to loose.

Maybe this is what is needed and included in those BC T1/T2 rebalance, since those WILL be rebalanced soon. Of Grid boosting harms more the game than it's good. People never stop arguing "get friends" "L2P with friends" "omg miner = bot" but then when something is about to change like OGB some players always talk about "small gang" and very little about the solo/tandem dudes with the obvious OGB.

There's a noticeable difference in between being good at the game and being good at exploiting game failures or bad mechanics in need of changes, to take advantage over other players. OGB is one of those bad mechanics that need severe changes, the only thing I can hope it's properly done and not like giving ASB's to shield tanks and throw a RAH bone to the underdogs.

I think it's extremely revealing that you say this: "some players always talk about "small gang" and very little about the solo/tandem dudes with the obvious OGB." That is small gang warfare. It is, whether you like it or not. Furthermore, I am having trouble accepting your assertion that this is somehow more despicable than bringing 30 guys with their own OGBs to swat at the "solo/tandem dudes with the obvious OGB".

Basically: it's a valid play style and I don't think that you should be allowed to say it isn't.

-Liang

Effortpost incoming

Firstly everyone complaining that their ehonourable 1v1 fights are ruined by offgrid boosters is a moron. If you find yourself in a fair fight in Eve you ****** up, simple as. Eve PvP is 90% preparation and its likely to stay that way for the forseable future.

I'd like to see booster ships on grid but putting them there with the game as it is right now is a terrible idea. Boosting ships are going to be primaried to the point where it just isn't fun to fly one and games are supposed to be fun. Sure you could fly a brick tanked command ship but at that point your role in the fight has been reduced to sitting still and receiving reps (again not fun). Secondly with the way the boosting system is set up its almost impossible to reconfigure who is giving boosts mid combat. Lose a booster and good luck juggling your fleet layout to fix things in a reasonable amount of time. It takes long enough setting that stuff up outside of combat. Boosting ships are just too exposed and too obvious (theres no real reason to fly a command ship in pvp if you aren't boosting) but the pain of reorganising the fleet tree means theres no real benefit to bringing spares either.

If boosters are forced to be on grid I'd like to see the top down requirement of boosts removed so that you always recieve the best possible bonuses chosen from all the boosters on grid with you (in fleet obviously). You'd probably have to compensate fleet command ships somehow to make it more worthwhile to bring one over 3-6 field command ships.

Unfortunately if my (somewhat spotty) memory serves me right we used to have a flat fleet structure for bonuses but CCP had to move to the current system because of the lag caused by constantly having to recompute bonuses.

They should just make the boosting less effective if not on grid.

- 100% boosting effectiveness to any fleet member on grid, 66% effective on any vessel off-grid..

or something like that.. would make all parties happy, make both options viable and give us tactical choice.

how is that?

our 5 man frigate gangs run with loki links.. why don't yours?

Are we trying to address the issue of off-grid boosters being unbalanced, or new players not being able to afford links.. I'm confused.

Small gang vs blob, small gang should be less effective..

Obviously I appear to be misunderstanding the point your trying to make.. But given your condescending attitude, I'm not particularly interested in continuing the conversation.. My 2c is in so I'm done.

I contend that a small focused gang should be more effective than a random assortment of **** thrown together. Specialization is the only way that smaller groups are ever going to compete against larger groups.

Unless you'd like the game to just boil down to an auto resolution battle sim where them bringing N+1 ships simply self destructs yours.

-Liang

Ed: And frankly I find it peculiar that you should talk **** about my "attitude" when you're the one that starts laying the smack on.

I will freely admit that I do not play in and do not care about blob vs blob fighting. I can see why bringing gang boosters on grid would hurt that style of gameplay, but it'd probably hurt both sides equally. In small gang vs blob, it only hurts the small gang. That's why I've been so adamant that there are problems to solve before simply moving gang links on grid.

If you would like to add more problems that need solved from a blob perspective, that's fine with me. I remember some reasonable comments about bonuses needing to auto-move around when the booster gets instapopped.

-Liang