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Kal'Orellian
Kyokushin Corporation
Muh Zkill...
#41 - 2012-08-14 15:24:05 UTC
Mag's wrote:
CCP already provide the tools for safe hauling, try using them.

No balance to ships, should be based on hauling AFK. Anyone hauling AFK, have no rights to complain when they diaf.


And I do use them. If you could read you would see that. They do not cater for my needs so I am asking for something that does.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#42 - 2012-08-14 15:24:40 UTC
Kal'Orellian wrote:
Mag's wrote:
CCP already provide the tools for safe hauling, try using them.

No balance to ships, should be based on hauling AFK. Anyone hauling AFK, have no rights to complain when they diaf.


I agree that is the sitaution now, never used to be like that.

Some poeple play high sec because real life means that they cannot spend every second at the keyboard. CCP needs to cater for these people too.

Then pay someone to move the items for you. There are many player corps dedicated to that.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#43 - 2012-08-14 15:29:59 UTC
then train for a fukking orca or freighter and stop hauling 400 mil in 1 mil ship.

afk-Hauling stuff safely in that magnitude or cargo value should have some drawbacks, like training time and ISK investment for mentioned ships!
Griffin Omanid
Knights of the Zodiac
#44 - 2012-08-14 15:45:12 UTC
Kal'Orellian wrote:
Yeep wrote:
Kal'Orellian wrote:
If I had a cargo sufficient to warrant an Orca I would get one, my cargo never exceeds 200-400 mil and is never more than 20k by volume. I'm calling for a buffed itteron something like the new Mackinaw miners have.


So an Occator?


You wouldn't get that to battleship level EHP, still gankable unless you have active hardeners and damage control. No good for afk in that case.


You don´t need BS like EHP. An Occater got nearly as much EHP as a unfitted Brutix. And one single ship can´t one hit a BC (except capitals, Stealth bomber and other 0.0 stuff). And if there are enough ganking guys to one hit a BC there could also be enough to one hit a BS. So use an Occator and fit it right, this one is gank stable and should be able to hauler over 10000 m³

Proposal T2 BS Class Juggernaut
Kal'Orellian
Kyokushin Corporation
Muh Zkill...
#45 - 2012-08-14 15:45:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Kal'Orellian
Robert Caldera wrote:
then train for a fukking orca or freighter and stop hauling 400 mil in 1 mil ship.

afk-Hauling stuff safely in that magnitude or cargo value should have some drawbacks, like training time and ISK investment for mentioned ships!


You really are an idiot. As I said in the thread that you have not read I now use a Viator and cloak\warp wherever I need to go. I would rather have a ship that wasn't an Orca that could safely afk haul a reasonable amount. Occators are nor safe unless you can be present at the keyboard.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#46 - 2012-08-14 15:49:13 UTC
Kal'Orellian wrote:
Robert Caldera wrote:
then train for a fukking orca or freighter and stop hauling 400 mil in 1 mil ship.

afk-Hauling stuff safely in that magnitude or cargo value should have some drawbacks, like training time and ISK investment for mentioned ships!


You really are an idiot. As I said in the thread that you have not read I now use a Viator and cloak\warp wherever I need to go. I would rather have a ship that wasn't an Orca that could safely afk haul a reasonable amount. Occators are nor safe unless you can be present at the keyboard.


why not orca?? FU you are an idiot yourself, there are already ships for safe afk hauling out there, so use them and STFU.
Kal'Orellian
Kyokushin Corporation
Muh Zkill...
#47 - 2012-08-14 15:53:13 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
Kal'Orellian wrote:
Robert Caldera wrote:
then train for a fukking orca or freighter and stop hauling 400 mil in 1 mil ship.

afk-Hauling stuff safely in that magnitude or cargo value should have some drawbacks, like training time and ISK investment for mentioned ships!


You really are an idiot. As I said in the thread that you have not read I now use a Viator and cloak\warp wherever I need to go. I would rather have a ship that wasn't an Orca that could safely afk haul a reasonable amount. Occators are nor safe unless you can be present at the keyboard.


why not orca?? FU you are an idiot yourself, there are already ships for safe afk hauling out there, so use them and STFU.


Haha, confirming you are a fool. An idiot and utter turnip for a brain. (I like that one) . I safe haul all the time, just not in the manner I lke to. I presented an argument, if you don't aggree then fine, present a better argument, make your point but keep it civil. Or better still STFU. Instead I get attitude and "fukking" this and "fukking" that from you. Go shove it.
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
TRUTH. HONOUR. LIGHT.
#48 - 2012-08-14 15:57:04 UTC
You sound upset that the game doesnt cater to you being afk.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#49 - 2012-08-14 15:58:50 UTC
who cares if idiots like you cant do things in the manner they'd like to? Fact is still, there are ships available in the game for all said purposes.
Kal'Orellian
Kyokushin Corporation
Muh Zkill...
#50 - 2012-08-14 16:07:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Kal'Orellian
Michael Harari wrote:
You sound upset that the game doesnt cater to you being afk.


Not upset, just making a point that I pay my subs just like everyoen else and am entitlied to play as I wish. One of the privilieges of high sec was always that you could go afk with a relative degree of safety, that has changed in recent years. Being able to go afk is important when you have rl commintments that mean you cannot spend every second at the keybaord nursemaiding internet spaceships. Still I like to play Eve as and when I can and I think CCP should cater for us as well, our money is just as good.
Kal'Orellian
Kyokushin Corporation
Muh Zkill...
#51 - 2012-08-14 16:09:42 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
who cares if idiots like you cant do things in the manner they'd like to? Fact is still, there are ships available in the game for all said purposes.


Fool.
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
TRUTH. HONOUR. LIGHT.
#52 - 2012-08-14 16:10:01 UTC
Kal'Orellian wrote:

Not upset, just making a point that I pay my subs just like everyoen else and am entitlied to play as I wish.


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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#53 - 2012-08-14 16:10:26 UTC
I'm paying subs too as you and I want to volley noob afk industrials carrying more than they should.
Kal'Orellian
Kyokushin Corporation
Muh Zkill...
#54 - 2012-08-14 16:13:45 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
I'm paying subs too as you and I want to volley noob afk industrials carrying more than they should.


Ahh so thats your beef. This debate threatens your isk flow does it?
Kal'Orellian
Kyokushin Corporation
Muh Zkill...
#55 - 2012-08-14 16:14:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Kal'Orellian
Michael Harari wrote:
Kal'Orellian wrote:

Not upset, just making a point that I pay my subs just like everyoen else and am entitlied to play as I wish.


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am entitlied to play as I wish


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am entitlied


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Just about sums up the thread


I am entitled to ask for something in a game I subscribe to. Doesn't mean I'll get it but I certainly have the right to start the debate. What gives you the right to naysay me?
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#56 - 2012-08-14 16:18:16 UTC
Kal'Orellian wrote:
Robert Caldera wrote:
I'm paying subs too as you and I want to volley noob afk industrials carrying more than they should.


Ahh so thats your beef. This debate threatens your isk flow does it?


it threatens my fun in the first line.
My ISK flow is ensured by proper transport vessels and has always been within managable risks.
Deena Amaj
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2012-08-14 16:27:58 UTC
While I understand the necessity for highsec ganking, asshatery and defending the opinion of need for ganking, one should not wonder why there are so many "carebears" NOT in lowsec and 0.0 sec.

Whats just ironic is that you need Blockade Runners and Transport Ships for HiSec xD Roll

confirthisposmed

I'm probably typing on a Tablet too, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#58 - 2012-08-14 16:31:47 UTC
Deena Amaj wrote:
While I understand the necessity for highsec ganking, asshatery and defending the opinion of need for ganking, one should not wonder why there are so many "carebears" NOT in lowsec and 0.0 sec.

Whats just ironic is that you need Blockade Runners and Transport Ships for HiSec xD Roll


it always has been that way as it came to hauling xxx millions afk.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2012-08-14 16:59:38 UTC
Kal'Orellian wrote:
Not upset, just making a point that I pay my subs just like everyoen else and am entitlied to play as I wish.

You certainly are. Nobody's stopping you from doing exactly what you're setting out to do, the only problem is that you're not present to react to whatever might happen.

Kal'Orellian wrote:
One of the privilieges of high sec was always that you could go afk with a relative degree of safety, that has changed in recent years.

What you're saying here, are the words "relative degree of safety", but what you've been saying all along in this thread has been "waah I'm not completely safe while AFK-hauling so much that it's worth ganking".

Kal'Orellian wrote:
Being able to go afk is important when you have rl commintments that mean you cannot spend every second at the keybaord nursemaiding internet spaceships.

You have stations in literally every hisec system, if you have to go AFK, dock up.

Kal'Orellian wrote:
Still I like to play Eve as and when I can and I think CCP should cater for us as well, our money is just as good.

They have catered to you, it's called "the orca". Use it.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Kal'Orellian
Kyokushin Corporation
Muh Zkill...
#60 - 2012-08-14 16:59:39 UTC
Of course it has not always been like that. We used to manage okay before the likes of Orcas, transport ships and blockade runners enterd game. Very few people had freighters either and it was still much safer to move goods back then compared to today.