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No Offgrid Gang Boosters Active inside POS
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Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#41 - 2012-08-14 15:56:29 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
Michael Harari wrote:
Robert Caldera wrote:
no bonuses of whatever kind (including rorq) from off grid, so means no boost from POS as well. Thats right. CCP is doing a right move finally. If you want bonuses, accept the risks.


So basically: "I want only gatecamps and blobs to have links"

Off grid (but not inside pos) boosting is not risk free. Ive killed linkboats before, and lost linkboats before.


no im sick of finding and trying to probe down off grid booster alts, erryone and his grandma seem to have nowadays.
If you want bonus, put them on grid.. seems viable for me.


Sounds like you need to practice your probing
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#42 - 2012-08-14 16:04:20 UTC
Michael Harari wrote:
Robert Caldera wrote:
Michael Harari wrote:
Robert Caldera wrote:
no bonuses of whatever kind (including rorq) from off grid, so means no boost from POS as well. Thats right. CCP is doing a right move finally. If you want bonuses, accept the risks.


So basically: "I want only gatecamps and blobs to have links"

Off grid (but not inside pos) boosting is not risk free. Ive killed linkboats before, and lost linkboats before.


no im sick of finding and trying to probe down off grid booster alts, erryone and his grandma seem to have nowadays.
If you want bonus, put them on grid.. seems viable for me.


Sounds like you need to practice your probing



No I do not need practice in scanning thanks. The probing system itself is somewhat broken and gives the pilot more than enough warning time to relocate to a different safe when being probed (assume we arent talking about noobs), so the hassle of finding those pesky and ECCM'd T3 booster alts still be there, which is gonna change in near future for exactly this good reason. If you want bonus, risk the ship. Nothing wrong with this.
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#43 - 2012-08-14 16:05:30 UTC
As I have already mentioned, ive killed multiple link alts before, and I know people who just prowl around killing dozens of them.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#44 - 2012-08-14 16:06:55 UTC
Michael Harari wrote:
As I have already mentioned, ive killed multiple link alts before, and I know people who just prowl around killing dozens of them.

so what?
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#45 - 2012-08-14 16:07:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloodpetal
Michael Harari wrote:
As I have already mentioned, ive killed multiple link alts before, and I know people who just prowl around killing dozens of them.


I have too. The issue is hiding them behind the POS shield, specifically in Low Sec, where you can't bubble the POS. And telling me I have to siege this POS and wait 2 days to kill the fleet booster, which is laughable.

Where I am.
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#46 - 2012-08-14 16:08:05 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
Michael Harari wrote:
As I have already mentioned, ive killed multiple link alts before, and I know people who just prowl around killing dozens of them.

so what?


So maybe its not that they are hard to kill, but that you are bad at killing them.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#47 - 2012-08-14 16:15:49 UTC
Michael Harari wrote:
Robert Caldera wrote:
Michael Harari wrote:
As I have already mentioned, ive killed multiple link alts before, and I know people who just prowl around killing dozens of them.

so what?


So maybe its not that they are hard to kill, but that you are bad at killing them.


I do not WANT to chase them because I feel the concept of ships providing systemwide bonuses for the remaining fleet while being in POS or safespot, ready to GTFO and never at real risk, is kinda backwards for me.
The fact you killed or lost some, does not mean anything apart of that **** happens - doesnt make the whole concept as such more viable.
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#48 - 2012-08-14 16:16:38 UTC
"Links are invulnerable"

"no they arent"

"yes they are, you cant kill them"

"ive killed a bunch"

"that doesnt matter"
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#49 - 2012-08-14 16:21:08 UTC
Michael Harari wrote:
"Links are invulnerable"

"no they arent"

"yes they are, you cant kill them"

"ive killed a bunch"

"that doesnt matter"


where did I state they are invulnerable?
Velicitia
XS Tech
#50 - 2012-08-14 16:29:56 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Barbara Nichole wrote:
far beyond a mining ops ability to defend it.


I see the problem. You expect to be able to devote all of your resources to mining, get the benefits of a rorqual, AND still be safe.

So, let's think about the scenario: You've got enough hulks mining to make having a rorq and an orca worthwhile. The rorq is cycling just outside a POS shield with the orca hauling for it. Suddenly, local spike. Your miners all hit the POS shield and reship to PVP ships...I'm thinking a ball of RR domis, something that can give that rorq a tank if it's attacked. One or two might be POS gunners instead.

With a small fleet of PVP ships inside a well-armed POS, do you really expect them to pick a fight with that Rorq? Do you think they would have any hope of destroying it before it got back inside the shield?



IIRC (and probably wrong), the Industrial Core has the same drawbacks as the Siege and Triage mods (i.e. no incoming reps)

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#51 - 2012-08-14 16:49:57 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Barbara Nichole wrote:
far beyond a mining ops ability to defend it.


I see the problem. You expect to be able to devote all of your resources to mining, get the benefits of a rorqual, AND still be safe.

So, let's think about the scenario: You've got enough hulks mining to make having a rorq and an orca worthwhile. The rorq is cycling just outside a POS shield with the orca hauling for it. Suddenly, local spike. Your miners all hit the POS shield and reship to PVP ships...I'm thinking a ball of RR domis, something that can give that rorq a tank if it's attacked. One or two might be POS gunners instead.

With a small fleet of PVP ships inside a well-armed POS, do you really expect them to pick a fight with that Rorq? Do you think they would have any hope of destroying it before it got back inside the shield?



IIRC (and probably wrong), the Industrial Core has the same drawbacks as the Siege and Triage mods (i.e. no incoming reps)

Nope you can RR away. Even if you couldn't RR them. The rorq is pretty much a carrier as far as staying power is concerned.
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