EVE General Discussion

I think the main problem is that T3s are better boosters than command ships and they are fairly safe in SS and basically invincible in a POS. This makes it so that the defenders of a system can perma-run a CS or a T3 in a POS forever and have that permanent edge over anybody that comes in. If it is in a SS, then it can be scanned down and killed. (And yes this does happen alot more often than you think.)

This is why I say remove the ability to boost from a POS.

Limit the T3 to less pilots so small gangs who use these aren't crippled/nerfed. But huge fleets would require a CS to get bonuses as the T3 cannot provide to everybody.

Every ship has it's role, and there are no blatantly overpowered tactics available to some groups.

Not everybody agrees with you. I personally don't.

This simplifies the game to derp mode IMO.

I think probers being a valuable part of a fleet fight is a good thing. If you want to find that OGB, then get yourself a decent prober. Stop trying to simplify the game :P


Next we are gunna hear "cloaks are OP, all ships need to visible" and "range is OP, all ships need to be 5km or less to fight."

No thanks.







Did this really need asking?

And I never said "buff T3 and nerf T2", I actually said the opposite. Go read the thread harder. :P

Maybe because to do something like that you would require 120 months of total training on all the pilots and about 10bil worth of tengus?


If they nerf the falcon so that if you want to get the same effectiveness you'd have to bring 20 falcons, does that make the falcon OP?

If they nerf Scimitars so that you need 20 scimis instead of one to do the same rep, are scimis still OP?



I don't think you are being serious.

They are hard to probe out if the person fitting the T3 is smart and knows how to make it hard-to-probe.

Otherwise they are just like any other ship.


And since the T3 user took counter measures against probing, it is only fair for the prober to have something extra of his own to be able to probe the T3. Which are things like probing implants and faction probes/launcher.

One might say that the prober is investing more money to find the T3 while the T3 only has to fit some ECCM modules.

But the fact of the mater is, the counter measures aren't 100% effective so the increased cost is okay for the prober, seeing as he can always find the T3. Albeit it takes a bit longer, he still always will get a lock if fast or skilled enough.

On top of that a cov ops is a very safe vessel, so the cost of the modules and implants will work for a very very long time if the pilot isn't dunce. Also a T3 is a very expensive loss.. The skill point reduction also hurts.


I believe this give probers a very important role in PVP, and a reason to invest in things like probing implants and sister's gear.

If they were to remove OGBs, they would also remove this important job for probers.

Good luck with your life.

Also, post with main.

Luckly is not your opnion that matters but of the main game designers.

And I can return your statement.. if you want to kjeep your booster safe PILOT IT! Stop tryign to dumb down the game to the point where you don even need to be on keyboard!

While I agree that the game is definitely easier and perhaps more fun when you have multiple accounts, that's PRECISELY what the problem is! Those should not be alt accounts. All those falcons and haulers and so on should be PEOPLE, not multiboxed alts. What EVE is right now is an ILLUSION of a universe. What it is in reality is a handful of people (relatively speaking) with borderline split personality disorder creating a microcosm of sorts. Instead of depending and playing with other people, they depend and play with their own alts. In a way, EVE is a lot like The Sims.

And a fix for it is quite easy - one client per computer, and if that doesn't work, one login per IP address. But this is where I 100% agree with you that this will never happen. Two reasons. One is that CCP simply cannot afford, financially, mechanically and prestige-wise, to lose 2/3rds or more of its accounts. And the second reason I don't believe they have the guts to make changes to the game that are that drastic, they're walking a fine edge as it is right now, what with Dust (which the popular opinion holds will flop) and WoD in the works. At this stage, it would just kill the game. Too many vets think that their main + 3 alts = "solo". Take that away, and they'll all have massive coronaries. Death toll would be horrific.

And even if they did this, they would have to do it in stages as well. For example, they can't just kill botting/AFK harvesting for miners. Miners would no longer be alts, they would be dedicated players who only mine. This means mining would have to be interesting and as profitable in ISK/hr as other professions, otherwise nobody would do it. Currently it's done AFK by alts and bots, which sort of works.

Sometimes I feel EVE is flawed at the very core by design. There's too many terrible, stupid, boring mechanics in this game (mining, missions, etc.) that no sane human being would dedicate their time to as a "main". Hence the alts. Hence anything that threatens "alt-itis" will not happen or be ineffective. Because they can't afford to do it any other way. Sad but true.

Bottom line - my wishful thinking aside - I think you're right. It's not going to happen, or at least not the way people think. Too many of the game's mechanics depend on alts for the game as a whole to continue to function. Though I still maintain it is very risky for CCP to continue to ignore it. One good solid slip, like Inarnageddon last year, and it could easily see this game off. It's happened before. Nobody quite knows what the critical mass for a collapse of a game is, but once it is reached, that's it. The next step to trying to save it is full blown F2P item shop (see Age of Conan, SWTOR, etc.) Alts are good, but they make for a much too fragile game population.

What is the reasoning behind that?

Alot of people don't think the game is currently broken. Me included.



Every killmail you've been on has 40+ people on it. Just because you've never had a pvp encounter that wasn't a blobfest doesn't mean that other forms of pvp doesn't exist.

If anything, blob warfare has to be some of the "dumbest" pvp in the game. Unless you are the FC.


And my booster is never safe, if my enemies are worth a damn they will scan down my alt and kill it.




I think that blasters are a great weapons system now. They are competitive with the other turrets now.

This guy got it right. He is a genius!

I didn't even consider that ship when I made the thread. Lets see what CCP does... or doesn't.

But any other type of boosting inside a POS should be not allowed.