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Pirating - How do you make isk?

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Mr Big Daddy
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-08-13 11:21:12 UTC
I am looking to go down the pirating path in eve. Mainly sticking to Frigates and Cruisers until I build up some experience and better skills.

I am guessing that most pirates must have some form of carebear activity alt? What would be the best route to take for this, mining or mission running?
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-08-13 11:50:06 UTC
Although I am not a pirate, I refuse to do any PVE related stuff to make ISK.

Most my ISK comes from honest jobs to hurt a corp or the honest scams of pretending to hurt corps. Sometimes it is also nice when you shoot a loot piñata.


"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk

Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-08-13 12:32:23 UTC
Basically that. It's kinda feast or famine. Usually you make nothing, but then sometimes a couple bil will land in your lap.
Mr Big Daddy
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-08-13 12:52:18 UTC
Psychotic Monk wrote:
Basically that. It's kinda feast or famine. Usually you make nothing, but then sometimes a couple bil will land in your lap.


Do you get many people in the asteroid belts anymore excluding other pirates.. Or would I have to try and get most of my targets on a undock ramp or stargate?
Lucy Oreless
Rise of Rephaim
#5 - 2012-08-13 12:57:16 UTC
Hanging around lo-sec schools (for skillbooks-loot) is also a way of suplementing your income as a pirate.. Popping a frig with cap-skillbooks feels very rewarding when the wallets is screaming for more isk Blink

 I did not have sexual relations to THAT woman....

Mr Big Daddy
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-08-13 12:59:46 UTC
Lucy Oreless wrote:
Hanging around lo-sec schools (for skillbooks-loot) is also a way of suplementing your income as a pirate.. Popping a frig with cap-skillbooks feels very rewarding when the wallets is screaming for more isk Blink


Ah nice, never thought about that.... I guess setting up some kind of market trap would be a good plan too..
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#7 - 2012-08-13 14:09:21 UTC
I make the occasional foray into w-space to shoot sleepers if I ever get hard up for cash. Sometimes I find a Noctis full of salvage or a shiny PVE T3 and the trip gets a lot more fun.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#8 - 2012-08-13 14:13:28 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
I make the occasional foray into w-space to shoot sleepers if I ever get hard up for cash. Sometimes I find a Noctis full of salvage or a shiny PVE T3 and the trip gets a lot more fun.



Pretty much what My corp does.

FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - Currenly rebuilding gaming machine, I will Return.

Griznatch
Distinguished Gentleman's Boating Club
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#9 - 2012-08-13 14:58:59 UTC
Try skulking around pocos in something like a bomber. They can drop an industrial in a couple volleys and sometimes they drop a couple mil in PI junk. Its not great money but after a while it adds up.

Also keep an eye out for ratters in anomalies, and idiots that warp to the sun to probe. Theyre usually shitfit newbs but sometimes they have pricey modules (cloaks are gettin on up there these days)

If you see a frig wreck at a station, check it for a cyno in the wreck.

I used to have a clever sig but I lost it.

Grog Drinker
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-08-13 14:59:17 UTC
Stealing half finished exploration sites is good isk. Exploration in general is pretty good in low sec. You will need either probing skills or a probing alt though. Either is good to have for hunting missioners.

T2 salvage is also a good source of occasional income. Keep a savager in your cargo and scan for wrecks as you pass through systems.
Lady Thanatos
Kurupt.
Sedition.
#11 - 2012-08-13 19:29:44 UTC
I am one of the few players to make money via pirating and PVP without having to rely on outside sources.

However here are a few things to remember if you wish to go this path;

-Make sure every ship gets it's investment back before it blows up
A. this can be achieved through ransoms, hijacks, or stealing.
B. Salvaging (as said earlier) can make you extra isk on the side

-Knowing how to ransom is key; understanding when you are safe to ransom and what position of power you have over your opponent can make or break a ransom.

-Fewer people on your killmails means that there are less people for the loot/ransoms to be divided up between.

-Upholding a paid ransom is your call (personally I honor all ransoms). I do this for a variety of personal reasons, but each person is different.

-Be paranoid, never engage unless you are very certain you can get in, and get out with your ship intact.

-Having eyes and friends in high places and in the right intel channels can make or break a hijacking attempt.
A. if you do decide to hijack a ship; make sure that you have a friend who can fly it out for you
B. set time limits on ransoms and hijacks (offer the victim X amount of seconds to pay/respond before you continue blowing their ship to pieces.

If you balance your books correctly and assure that you are cautious, engage wisely, and are fast about your business. You can successfully pirate and make isk from your PVP.

Best of luck
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
TRUTH. HONOUR. LIGHT.
#12 - 2012-08-13 19:31:44 UTC
Lady Thanatos wrote:
I

-Be paranoid, never engage unless you are very certain you can get in, and get out with your ship intact.


This is awful advice. This is what turns you into the "noble solo pvper" who tries to fight what he thinks is a pve fit tengu by bringing a bhaalgorn and ecm alt, or the guy who does nothing but sit on a gate with a sebo legion with scouts 2 jumps in both directions.

Lady Thanatos
Kurupt.
Sedition.
#13 - 2012-08-13 19:34:46 UTC
Michael Harari wrote:
Lady Thanatos wrote:
I

-Be paranoid, never engage unless you are very certain you can get in, and get out with your ship intact.


This is awful advice. This is what turns you into the "noble solo pvper" who tries to fight what he thinks is a pve fit tengu by bringing a bhaalgorn and ecm alt, or the guy who does nothing but sit on a gate with a sebo legion with scouts 2 jumps in both directions.




You can look at my Killboard if you wish; and decide for yourself if you think I am one of those people
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#14 - 2012-08-13 21:56:37 UTC
I am a casual pirate......meaning that if I remember to turn off my guns I'll try to ransom....

But I also do some minor anom running or low sec explo to help fun the pvp but I find it vey hard to engage in pve activity for mor than an hour or so at a time hence it's not very profitably unless I get a luck drop at a profession site.

However I do try to loot as much as possible after kills. and then I stor it a station in a container for easy asset tracking etc. After a while i bring my hauling al in and move the loot to a trade hub and put sell orders up for everything....keeps me going and I don't need to fly shiney ship all the time so I keep in the black so to speak.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.

Tara Read
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#15 - 2012-08-14 06:51:47 UTC
Mr Big Daddy wrote:
I am looking to go down the pirating path in eve. Mainly sticking to Frigates and Cruisers until I build up some experience and better skills.

I am guessing that most pirates must have some form of carebear activity alt? What would be the best route to take for this, mining or mission running?


Missions if you have a pve alt account (which is smart since it can also be used as a scout aka high sec runner). Some Pirates run 5's in groups or if your really good can dual box quite easily to blitz them. Other alternative is in a Carrier.

Low Sec tends to be quiet and since you are already a Pirate you should already know what steps to take to avoid being a victim.

Other methods also include putting said Carebear alt in a wormhole corp and robbing the bastards blind. My CEO just did it and took a nice little chunk of 8 billion isk with one of his many alts. There's certain tricks such as befriending said morons, getting in comms, playing the part.

It just makes the reward that much sweeter. Other options for isk making include ransoms, extortion, making carebears pay you for protection, loot from kills etc etc.
Mischa Barton
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-08-14 07:18:43 UTC
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Low Sec tends to be quiet and since you are already a Pirate you should already know what steps to take to avoid being a victim.
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Reminds me of the line from one of the top poker players - If you can't spot the sucker at the table, then it's you.
Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#17 - 2012-08-14 08:26:17 UTC
I have a buddy who makes billions baiting super-rich yet stupid carebears into shooting at him while he ninja salvages and loots their missions with his frigate. He just scans them down, warps in, and starts stealing everything he can. When/if they fire, he warps out, grabs his PVP ship of choice, and then goes back to kick their teeth in.

The sheer amount of faction and deadspace mods he's gotten from killing blinged out mission battleships is just sickening. I'm not talking hundreds of millions. I'm talking friggen billions worth. It's a game of patience and research though. It helps to know who the locals are. When you see a missioner you don't know, stalk him for a day, ship scan him, see if he's a hot headed loudmouth in local. Those types are far more likely to shoot at you, and probably dumb enough to think they can kill you if you return for revenge.

While the loot is lucrative, the tears are priceless.
SB Rico
Sumo Wrestlers
#18 - 2012-08-14 11:42:40 UTC
Where is the Olympic spirit gone after only 2 days?

Surely we should all compete for the love of it not for the money. Smile

Scammers are currently selling killrights on this toon for up to 5mil, if you have paid for this service demand your money back at once.

Killing me should be for free.

Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
TRUTH. HONOUR. LIGHT.
#19 - 2012-08-14 11:45:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Michael Harari
Lady Thanatos wrote:
Michael Harari wrote:
Lady Thanatos wrote:
I

-Be paranoid, never engage unless you are very certain you can get in, and get out with your ship intact.


This is awful advice. This is what turns you into the "noble solo pvper" who tries to fight what he thinks is a pve fit tengu by bringing a bhaalgorn and ecm alt, or the guy who does nothing but sit on a gate with a sebo legion with scouts 2 jumps in both directions.




You can look at my Killboard if you wish; and decide for yourself if you think I am one of those people


You get like 10 kills per month and kill mostly haulers, noobships and frigates. The frigate kills are almost all ganks with a battleship or t3. You have nearly no solo kills. Those that you do have are mostly t3s vs missioning battlecruisers or t3s vs covops. So you dont use a falcon alt, good for you. That doesnt mean your killboard is anything close to impressive.
Ristlin Wakefield
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2012-08-14 13:53:13 UTC
I ninja loot pirates. Never will you see so much rage : O

I have a lover, her name is EVE. I see her every night and all she asks in return is that I have a pilot's license.

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