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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#41 - 2012-08-14 10:08:23 UTC
Well, concidering the overall paranoia some people in EVE exibit... no wonder. Roll

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Anhenka
The New Federation
Sigma Grindset
#42 - 2012-08-14 10:08:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Anhenka
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
H1ghwayman wrote:
I've had friends tell me they can't talk to me anymore because the heads of their corps are reading through their emails to make sure they're not doing anything they don't like... This is screwed up... I really think it's time that API keys went away or were limited so that it's not possible for emails and private conversations to be monitored. If it's possible it will be expected. If people don't enjoy the game because they have no privacy they may not continue playing. I think it's best for everyone if the controlling pricks that insist on invading everyone's privacy had that ability taken away. Let private conversations remain private for everyone...



Don't ever let someone tell you to do what you don't want to silly padawan !!

Get out of there and join "normal" people, let paranoid scumbags fill holes in between them. But, if you have nothing to hide why would you bother with that?
I mean, it's not like if you were e-mailing your wife about your last love night and making plans for the next one with eve mail, is it? -if it is you're dumber than I thought.

Unless it's your CEO's wife? Lol then you get a +1000000000² from meh, others wife's are always the best women ever !!


I find nothing wrong with eve-mails about the previous days kinky sex. And hey, if your CEO is bored enough to be reading your mails, explicit sex related eve-mails will likely just make him even more frustrated at what he's likely not getting any of.

Edit: currently stealing off internet, retitling names and sending gay fanfiction about my corps CEO/directors between me and my alts, on the of chance he reads any. I hope he does.

Edit^2: Actually, he might enjoy it.
Alayna Le'line
#43 - 2012-08-14 10:18:02 UTC
I'll just leave this comic here.

Less serious but still sorta relevant is this one which I'm sure many have already seen.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#44 - 2012-08-14 10:20:44 UTC
Anhenka wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
H1ghwayman wrote:
I've had friends tell me they can't talk to me anymore because the heads of their corps are reading through their emails to make sure they're not doing anything they don't like... This is screwed up... I really think it's time that API keys went away or were limited so that it's not possible for emails and private conversations to be monitored. If it's possible it will be expected. If people don't enjoy the game because they have no privacy they may not continue playing. I think it's best for everyone if the controlling pricks that insist on invading everyone's privacy had that ability taken away. Let private conversations remain private for everyone...



Don't ever let someone tell you to do what you don't want to silly padawan !!

Get out of there and join "normal" people, let paranoid scumbags fill holes in between them. But, if you have nothing to hide why would you bother with that?
I mean, it's not like if you were e-mailing your wife about your last love night and making plans for the next one with eve mail, is it? -if it is you're dumber than I thought.

Unless it's your CEO's wife? Lol then you get a +1000000000² from meh, others wife's are always the best women ever !!


I find nothing wrong with eve-mails about the previous days kinky sex. And hey, if your CEO is bored enough to be reading your mails, explicit sex related eve-mails will likely just make him even more frustrated at what he's likely not getting any of.

Edit: currently stealing off internet, retitling names and sending gay fanfiction about my corps CEO/directors between me and my alts, on the of chance he reads any. I hope he does.

Edit^2: Actually, he might enjoy it.




Jesus, if he's that cool lets join the party and have some fun. The moment she's happy I'm happy Lol

brb
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#45 - 2012-08-14 10:47:49 UTC  |  Edited by: dexington
Do a little research and start feeding them bad/fabricated intel, misinformation or lies, and see what happens, if you are lucky some ****** is going to take the bait.

Having you mails monitored is only a bad thing if you don't know it's happening, if you know it's happening it's a opportunity.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#46 - 2012-08-14 10:50:11 UTC
The best spies are the ones you recruit from inside.
Haethorn
I've Fixed it
#47 - 2012-08-14 11:05:43 UTC
Having been in corps run by complete idiots & other corps run by exceptional leadership, I find this concept either not a problem at all, or where it could be a problem, It will be secondary at best to more pressing concearns.

In a previous Null Sec Alliance, I contacted a guy on the Alliance Leaders's request & trolled him.

The Alliance Leader, whom apparently has the memory of a goldfish, forgot that he requested us contact the guy, DIDN'T READ THE MAIL I sent, had a complete fit that I mailed someone set to Red standings and came crying to my then corp leadership yelling SPAI SPAI KICK HIM OUT!

If an alliance leader is routinely reading your mail, they are not doing other things they should be doing and it will show.

Unfortunately, counterespionage is part of the game, but good risk managment involves being picky about who you hand out roles to.
Xpaulusx
Naari LLC
#48 - 2012-08-14 11:12:49 UTC
H1ghwayman wrote:
I've had friends tell me they can't talk to me anymore because the heads of their corps are reading through their emails to make sure they're not doing anything they don't like... This is screwed up... I really think it's time that API keys went away or were limited so that it's not possible for emails and private conversations to be monitored. If it's possible it will be expected. If people don't enjoy the game because they have no privacy they may not continue playing. I think it's best for everyone if the controlling pricks that insist on invading everyone's privacy had that ability taken away. Let private conversations remain private for everyone...


Your first misconception is assuming anyone is your friend in this game, most are tempoary aquitances of convenience unless you know them personally. play it smart,don't be a chump, treat everyone as a potential future enemy because chances are they will be Blink.

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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#49 - 2012-08-14 11:18:36 UTC
I see 2 simple solutions:

1) Disagree and don't join them. (duh)

2) If you really really have to be in with the standard "cool kids", then fill your inbox/outbox daily with spam to everyone you can think of. Be prolific in your writing. Send long treatises to complete strangers. Send them to yourself from alts. Eventually they'll stop reading your email and you can go back to feeling paranoid and insecure when you try to talk about pokemons with your friends in EVE, but you'll have at least annoyed someone in the process. :)

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Scott PiIgrim
Doomheim
#50 - 2012-08-14 11:19:44 UTC
Api is a damn good tool, sorry your to much of a noob to understand it.
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#51 - 2012-08-14 11:47:20 UTC
H1ghwayman wrote:

If someone is a spy they can use a different account and this access won't do any good anyways...


CCP won't change it for this very reason - it means more accounts.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#52 - 2012-08-14 11:51:23 UTC
If anyone demands full API access to see your mails and financial records, laugh at them and talk to other corps. The way to stop this sort of behavior is to treat them like the idiots they are.

If for some reason you're comfortable giving full API access when applying to a corp, create a special one that expires in a few days so that they lose access once you're a member. If they start demanding it back, leave. Mock them on your way out.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#53 - 2012-08-14 11:53:25 UTC
While going through someone's laundry might be typical during the recruiting process, there is generally no reason to have full and complete accees once this is completed.

Even most nulsec alliances don't have such intrusive API requirements. Usually all they need even for services is your public info (corp) and kill info.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Sarik Olecar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2012-08-14 11:54:55 UTC
Tell them to shove it. Also make sure you help yourself to the corp hanger on your way out. Corps are pointless anyways, all the best content can be solo'd or PUG...

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Tiberius Sunstealer
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#55 - 2012-08-14 12:02:47 UTC
KIller Wabbit wrote:
CCP won't change it for this very reason - it means more accounts.

I thought it was because it was working as intended and it was a problem with the players, not the mechanics. My mistake.
Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2012-08-14 12:51:05 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
There's a checkbox when you make your API key that allows or disallows your mail to be read through the API key.

You are responsible for what information you allow people who possess your API keys to view.




All well and good, but when you give people the opportunity to do so then people will try to take advantage of it.

I'd say just get rid of the API.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#57 - 2012-08-14 12:55:09 UTC
H1ghwayman wrote:
I've had friends tell me they can't talk to me anymore because the heads of their corps are reading through their emails to make sure they're not doing anything they don't like... This is screwed up... I really think it's time that API keys went away or were limited so that it's not possible for emails and private conversations to be monitored. If it's possible it will be expected. If people don't enjoy the game because they have no privacy they may not continue playing. I think it's best for everyone if the controlling pricks that insist on invading everyone's privacy had that ability taken away. Let private conversations remain private for everyone...


No one held a gun to your friends heads and made them hand over API access. They chose to join a stupid corp and obey its stupid rules, the problem lies with them, not the mechanics of the API.
Lord Ryan
True Xero
#58 - 2012-08-14 12:58:45 UTC
Just delete API after you get accepted. If you get kicked join one of the other 10k corps. Than pod old CEO repeatedly.

Do not assume anything above this line was typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#59 - 2012-08-14 13:29:14 UTC
Pak Narhoo wrote:
Look, some are fine giving their full API away when they join a corporation that requires that.

But once they've gone through the stuff to see if you're a spy, corp thief, corp ganker or what ever else, YOU just simply get a new API key if you haven't made the previous one expire in 3 days, which should be more then enough time for the paranoid corporation to see if you are who you say you are.

Simple, piece of cake.

Alternatively, simply delete the key at your leisure.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#60 - 2012-08-14 13:36:56 UTC
H1ghwayman wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
There's a checkbox when you make your API key that allows or disallows your mail to be read through the API key.

You are responsible for what information you allow people who possess your API keys to view.



You're missing the point... If it's "standard" to give full access everyone will require it... So if you want into any corp that's worth a damn you have to do what is "STANDARD" which means allow full invasions of privacy... CCP is the only group that can change this.. Mail access needs to no longer be possible.... It's the only way.

If someone is a spy they can use a different account and this access won't do any good anyways... This doesn't help. It only hurts peoples ability to enjoy the game. The types of people that demand this level of control are not the types of people it should be given too.... Yet narcissists always end up at the top because it's what they do naturally. They see a ladder, they must climb it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

^ Those are the people that demand it, use it, and hound players for who they talk to. They need to be declawed.... Please....



You are missing the point. If your friend doesn't want his mails read, he is free to delete that API and/or find a new corp. ITs not "standard" to show them your mails. It is however standard to have to give an API.

Different corps require different things. Stop being a cry baby.

FC, what do?