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Armor, New mods re-balance ?
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Keen Fallsword
Skyway Patrol
#1 - 2012-08-14 10:25:17 UTC
I just wanted to ask. When armor tanking active and passive will be changed ? Any new mods will be added to armor ?

CCP Ytterbium on fanfest said that it will be fixed (soon) but you guys planing it ? Any new details ?

In game where agility = survival having armor tanked ships is .. well .. "********"

Only few fleets still using armor rest is shield based. So maybe good idea is to balance all races to the shield and left armor as option ?

Of coz armor is still good for PVE and some PVP like low-sec but rest is meh. So maybe its good to have armor just in case and shield for every day ?

What you guys thinking ?

Btw. Amarr is pretty sucky ATM :D
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-08-14 10:26:41 UTC
You know there are some ships your friend can fly like the Huggin and the Hyena that can take away their agility and therefore their survival.
Keen Fallsword
Skyway Patrol
#3 - 2012-08-14 10:29:30 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
You know there are some ships your friend can fly like the Huggin and the Hyena that can take away their agility and therefore their survival.


or rapier. Sure but armor races dont have bonuses to the web . Tricky huh ? Maybe you want to add something else ?
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-08-14 10:31:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Keen Fallsword wrote:
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
You know there are some ships your friend can fly like the Huggin and the Hyena that can take away their agility and therefore their survival.


or rapier. Sure but armor races dont have bonuses to the web . Tricky huh ? Maybe you want to add something else ?


To be fair you guys have the Vindicator and Bhaalgorn.

You also have the Keres/Arazu/Lachesis which doesn't get a web bonus but can definitely shut down a MWD at range.

EDIT: An armor tanked Huggin like ship would be neat, but would have some issues that come with armor tanking such as flying like a brick. Actually, you could try armor tanking your Huggin nowCool
Radius Prime
Tax Evading Ass.
#5 - 2012-08-14 10:32:15 UTC
Keen Fallsword wrote:
I just wanted to ask. When armor tanking active and passive will be changed ? Any new mods will be added to armor ?

CCP Ytterbium on fanfest said that it will be fixed (soon) but you guys planing it ? Any new details ?


New skill and mods for armor were added if I recall correct.

Reopen the EVE gate so we can invade Serenity. Goons can go first.
Keen Fallsword
Skyway Patrol
#6 - 2012-08-14 10:34:01 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Keen Fallsword wrote:
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
You know there are some ships your friend can fly like the Huggin and the Hyena that can take away their agility and therefore their survival.


or rapier. Sure but armor races dont have bonuses to the web . Tricky huh ? Maybe you want to add something else ?


To be fair you guys have the Vindicator and Bhaalgorn.

You also have the Keres/Arazu/Lachesis which doesn't get a web bonus but can definitely shut down a MWD at range.


yeah Vindicator is very cheap work horse awesome for fleets. "its very agile" sure you will be able to catch everything. Especially from range.

yeah lach, razu are best but still you cant catch anything from range :)
Keen Fallsword
Skyway Patrol
#7 - 2012-08-14 10:35:41 UTC
Radius Prime wrote:
Keen Fallsword wrote:
I just wanted to ask. When armor tanking active and passive will be changed ? Any new mods will be added to armor ?

CCP Ytterbium on fanfest said that it will be fixed (soon) but you guys planing it ? Any new details ?


New skill and mods for armor were added if I recall correct.


You talking about reactive hardener ? yeah awesome PVE module. Dont try to skill it coz it will drain your cap pretty fast :)
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-08-14 10:36:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Here's an armor tanked fleet hyena. Dug it up on Battleclinic.

[Hyena, Armor Fleet]
Damage Control II
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

1MN MicroWarpdrive II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I

125mm Gatling AutoCannon II
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II
OE-5200 Rocket Launcher

Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I

Of course, it is going to be less maneuverable than its shield tanked counterpart although the lower sig radius will be kind of neat.
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#9 - 2012-08-14 10:41:19 UTC
Stop whinning.

"Oh my [object of the whine here] is the less used and by extension the weakest."

Here is a rule : if there is two things, only one of them can mathematically be the most popular.

Here is a fact : Rooks & Kings's best kills (see their videos) are done in armor fleet.

Bye

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Keen Fallsword
Skyway Patrol
#10 - 2012-08-14 10:41:38 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Here's an armor tanked fleet hyena.

[Hyena, Armor Fleet]
Damage Control II
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

1MN MicroWarpdrive II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I

125mm Gatling AutoCannon II
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II
OE-5200 Rocket Launcher

Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I

Of course, it is going to be less maneuverable than its shield tanked counterpart although the lower sig radius will be kind of neat.


Oh Armor tanked Hyena !!! Sweet ! But you will be flying in it ! OK ? trimarks on Hyena are the best !

That was my point when i was thinking about to start this thread. Armor tank is broken because disadvantages are HUGE opposite to the shield.

I was able to fly in perma MWD drake and Logis ware able to hold me alive when my signature was over 2K ? Something is wrong here.....
Keen Fallsword
Skyway Patrol
#11 - 2012-08-14 10:42:37 UTC
Altrue wrote:
Stop whinning.

Here is a fact : Rooks & Kings's best kills (see their videos) are done in armor fleet.

Bye



OMFFG ... LOL

R&K fan

bye !
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-08-14 10:44:07 UTC
Keen Fallsword wrote:
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Here's an armor tanked fleet hyena.

[Hyena, Armor Fleet]
Damage Control II
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

1MN MicroWarpdrive II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I

125mm Gatling AutoCannon II
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II
OE-5200 Rocket Launcher

Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I

Of course, it is going to be less maneuverable than its shield tanked counterpart although the lower sig radius will be kind of neat.


Oh Armor tanked Hyena !!! Sweet ! But you will be flying in it ! OK ? trimarks on Hyena are the best !

That was my point when i was thinking about to start this thread. Armor tank is broken because disadvantages are HUGE opposite to the shield.

I was able to fly in perma MWD drake and Logis ware able to hold me alive when my signature was over 2K ? Something is wrong here.....



I think you're kind of married to the idea there are 2 shield tanked and 2 armor tanked races. This really isn't a hard line but more of a trend. You can shield or armor tank pretty much anything in the game especially in a pvp scenario.

You are asking for a fast, manauverable, armor tanked ship with a powerful web bonus.

Pick 2.

Fast
Web Bonus
Armor Tanked
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#13 - 2012-08-14 10:45:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Altrue
I took the more recent video in my memory. It's just an example, you can calm down and start using coherent words again.
It's not about being a fan or not, it's about admitting that in the worst outnumbering situation a group of players can still win in armor tank.

So basically they are better in armor tanking than you are, and you don't like it. Rather than trying to learn you're asking for a boost because you don't take the time to understand how things work.

Then let's reassure you : Your reaction shows that even if armor tanking get's a boost, you will still loose. So relax :)

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Ultimate Citadel Guide - 2016 EVE Career Chart
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#14 - 2012-08-14 10:49:31 UTC
What do you mean? Armor tanking was balanced in Inferno! They added the ASBs, so shield tankers can now have midslots galore for full tackle and tank better than bonused armor tankers!


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Pipa Porto
#15 - 2012-08-14 10:51:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Armor allows you to effectively run an AB to sig tank. It also leaves your mids free for EWAR.

Finally, T2 Plates now provide a bigger HP bonus than Meta 4, and you have a new resistance module that's only stacking penalized with DCs.

Finally, Lasers (used by noted armor tankers, the Amarr) have spectacular base damage for their range. An Abbadon with 2 Damage Mods will outdamage a Mach with 2 damage mods anywhere outside of ~10km.

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Keen Fallsword
Skyway Patrol
#16 - 2012-08-14 10:52:46 UTC
Altrue wrote:
I took the more recent video in my memory. It's just an example, you can calm down and start using coherent words again.
It's not about being a fan or not, it's about admitting that in the worst outnumbering situation a group of players can still win in armor tank.

So basically they are better in armor tanking than you are, and you don't like it. Rather than trying to learn you're asking for a boost because you don't take the time to understand how things work.

Then let's reassure you : Your reaction shows that even if armor tanking get's a boost, you will still loose. So relax :)


Im not flying armor ! are you kidding ? Im just asking about more balanced game. advantages and disadvantages of these two systems are not equal. IMO something is broken in sig radius in game mechanic. Sig radius + Speed tanking = broken. Im not whining really
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-08-14 10:54:11 UTC
Keen Fallsword wrote:
Altrue wrote:
I took the more recent video in my memory. It's just an example, you can calm down and start using coherent words again.
It's not about being a fan or not, it's about admitting that in the worst outnumbering situation a group of players can still win in armor tank.

So basically they are better in armor tanking than you are, and you don't like it. Rather than trying to learn you're asking for a boost because you don't take the time to understand how things work.

Then let's reassure you : Your reaction shows that even if armor tanking get's a boost, you will still loose. So relax :)


Im not flying armor ! are you kidding ? Im just asking about more balanced game. advantages and disadvantages of these two systems are not equal. IMO something is broken in sig radius in game mechanic. Sig radius + Speed tanking = broken. Im not whining really


So basically you're mad that people don't have to brawl or die and can kite you. There are so many counters to kiting.
Keen Fallsword
Skyway Patrol
#18 - 2012-08-14 10:56:45 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Keen Fallsword wrote:
Altrue wrote:
I took the more recent video in my memory. It's just an example, you can calm down and start using coherent words again.
It's not about being a fan or not, it's about admitting that in the worst outnumbering situation a group of players can still win in armor tank.

So basically they are better in armor tanking than you are, and you don't like it. Rather than trying to learn you're asking for a boost because you don't take the time to understand how things work.

Then let's reassure you : Your reaction shows that even if armor tanking get's a boost, you will still loose. So relax :)


Im not flying armor ! are you kidding ? Im just asking about more balanced game. advantages and disadvantages of these two systems are not equal. IMO something is broken in sig radius in game mechanic. Sig radius + Speed tanking = broken. Im not whining really


So basically you're mad that people don't have to brawl or die and can kite you. There are so many counters to kiting.


"There are so many counters to kiting."

Like ? Broken Dampeners :) ?
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#19 - 2012-08-14 10:57:11 UTC
Roime wrote:
What do you mean? Armor tanking was balanced in Inferno! They added the ASBs, so shield tankers can now have midslots galore for full tackle and tank better than bonused armor tankers!



I agree that the ASB is an interesting toy, but not more than the resistance shifter. The two modules have different usages for different situations. One is only efficient for a short duration (and if you calculate number of charges * hp recovered, that's not brilliant.. but yet efficient ok) while the other is based on middle/long fights. Which is a boost for PvE and PvP when there is some RR.

Then of course it is harder to judge and compare two modules that don't have the same use, and I would prefer to see both tanking style having the two modules (yet I don't know if it is a viable option), but in my opinion I would prefer to have a resistance shifter shield than an ASB.

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Keen Fallsword
Skyway Patrol
#20 - 2012-08-14 10:57:24 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Armor allows you to effectively run an AB to sig tank. It also leaves your mids free for EWAR.

Finally, T2 Plates now provide a bigger HP bonus than Meta 4, and you have a new resistance module that's only stacking penalized with DCs.

Finally, Lasers (used by noted armor tankers, the Amarr) have spectacular base damage for their range. An Abbadon with 2 Damage Mods will outdamage a Mach with 2 damage mods anywhere outside of ~10km.


So you sayin that everything is OK ?
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