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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#21 - 2012-08-10 22:15:42 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Digg Kula wrote:
If cost is no factor. I think this fits. I have got the updated EFT to play with it yet.

Aoede Mining Laser Upgrade
Aoede Mining Laser Upgrade
Aoede Mining Laser Upgrade

Caldari Navy EM Ward
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pith-A Small Shield Booster

Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit II
Medium Core Capacitor Circuit II


That will get alpha'd and your shield booster doesn't help at all.



This

People are still looking for max yeld and will then complain because they got alpha by a single tornado (0.5 SS 2 volley and the poor mackinaw is just a wreck)

38K EHP with decent yelp is well enough to discourage almost 100% gankers because who's going to bring 4 tornados to do the job?

People should stop being silly

brb
ashley Eoner
#22 - 2012-08-10 23:08:53 UTC  |  Edited by: ashley Eoner
Veryez wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:


BAsically went with the same tank


2x modulated strip miner II

2x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Survey Scanner II
Em Ward Amplifier II

2x MLU II
DCU II

Medium Processor Overclocking unit I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I



You need a 5% CPU implant to fit this, but yes seems a good balance.

If you upgrade to A Medium Processor Overclock II, you can fit:

2x MSM II's

2xAdaptive Invul II's
1x Survey Scanner II
1x Upgraded EM Ward I

2x MLU II's
1x DC II

1x MPOC II
1x MCDFE I A t2 will fit, just seems to be throwing isk away though)

for 33k EHP, so you gain almost 3k EHP for 50 mil, your choice, still cheaper than that implant.

I just realized I goofed by saying 2x adaptive II when the reality is it's 1x adaptive II and 1x limited adaptive. oopsie


I run that tank on a non maxed character that has a 3% cpu implant already because of a different ship. That character has 3.1 CPU left without max fitting skills or mining upgrades. The other character runs internal force field instead of DCU II, Limited adaptive instead of adaptive II and it has 26.1 cpu free once again without maxed mining or fitting skills.

In the grand scheme of things losing a dedicated 5% to em to gain 5% on all (minus stacking penalty) might be worth it.
steave435
Perkone
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-08-11 07:13:04 UTC
Remember that even if it gives lower EFT/PYFA EHP, fitting a shield booster can be worth it since it allows you to keep your shields topped up, instead of having it brought down to X% by rats. For example, if you're relying on tanking it with your passive recharge, you might start out with only ~50% shield when the gankers land.
ashley Eoner
#24 - 2012-08-11 07:18:01 UTC  |  Edited by: ashley Eoner
steave435 wrote:
Remember that even if it gives lower EFT/PYFA EHP, fitting a shield booster can be worth it since it allows you to keep your shields topped up, instead of having it brought down to X% by rats. For example, if you're relying on tanking it with your passive recharge, you might start out with only ~50% shield when the gankers land.
There is much truth in your statement. Hobgoblin II drones destroy highsec rats quickly though :P
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-08-11 08:17:33 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
steave435 wrote:
Remember that even if it gives lower EFT/PYFA EHP, fitting a shield booster can be worth it since it allows you to keep your shields topped up, instead of having it brought down to X% by rats. For example, if you're relying on tanking it with your passive recharge, you might start out with only ~50% shield when the gankers land.
There is much truth in your statement. Hobgoblin II drones destroy highsec rats quickly though :P


Takes a bit longer with Angels, but if you get Angel rats in belts you should have Warriors instead of Hobs.
Dave Stark
#26 - 2012-08-11 10:08:09 UTC
if you're not fitting 3x mlus on your mackinaw, just fly a skiff.
Sicyon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2012-08-11 14:53:46 UTC
Using current fit myself, pretty cheap, no implants required and around 30K EHP

[Mackinaw, Mack1]

2x Modulated Strip Miner II

Medium Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I
2x Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
ML-3 Amphilotite Mining Probe

Internal Force Field Array I
2x Mining Laser Upgrade II

2x Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-08-11 15:03:50 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
if you're not fitting 3x mlus on your mackinaw, just fly a skiff.


[Mackinaw]

Ice Harvester Upgrade II
Ice Harvester Upgrade II
Ice Harvester Upgrade II

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I

Ice Harvester II
Ice Harvester II

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I


Zainou 'Gypsy' Electronics EE-606

CPU: 419,7/410,4
PG: 47/43,75
ashley Eoner
#29 - 2012-08-11 20:59:18 UTC  |  Edited by: ashley Eoner
Dave stark wrote:
if you're not fitting 3x mlus on your mackinaw, just fly a skiff.
I cannot fit 3x MLU on a mackinaw. Probably cannot even fit 2x MLU on a skiff without leaving mid slots open. There are newbies just starting off in this game that don't have perfect skills and 3000m in implants to toss around..

Not to mention the skiff requires a lot more attention so you don't waste cycles of your one strip miner to pull out 9 m3 of ore.. Overall if you're just running a field without micromanaging shut off times you'll mine less with the skiff. Now if you're mining ice or extremely large roids somewhere then that wouldn't matter. If I was doing that though I wouldn't be running a mack in the first place..
steave435
Perkone
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-08-11 21:35:05 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
if you're not fitting 3x mlus on your mackinaw, just fly a skiff.
I cannot fit 3x MLU on a mackinaw. Probably cannot even fit 2x MLU on a skiff without leaving mid slots open. There are newbies just starting off in this game that don't have perfect skills and 3000m in implants to toss around..

Not to mention the skiff requires a lot more attention so you don't waste cycles of your one strip miner to pull out 9 m3 of ore.. Overall if you're just running a field without micromanaging shut off times you'll mine less with the skiff. Now if you're mining ice or extremely large roids somewhere then that wouldn't matter. If I was doing that though I wouldn't be running a mack in the first place..


We can't tailor every fit for every potential set of skills. If you don't have the skills needed, either train them or adjust the fit. For example, you can save CPU and grid by downgrading to equivalent named mods, or replace a low/rig with a fitting mod etc etc.
We'll provide the baseline, you then adjust that baseline to work for you.
ashley Eoner
#31 - 2012-08-11 22:24:47 UTC
steave435 wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
if you're not fitting 3x mlus on your mackinaw, just fly a skiff.
I cannot fit 3x MLU on a mackinaw. Probably cannot even fit 2x MLU on a skiff without leaving mid slots open. There are newbies just starting off in this game that don't have perfect skills and 3000m in implants to toss around..

Not to mention the skiff requires a lot more attention so you don't waste cycles of your one strip miner to pull out 9 m3 of ore.. Overall if you're just running a field without micromanaging shut off times you'll mine less with the skiff. Now if you're mining ice or extremely large roids somewhere then that wouldn't matter. If I was doing that though I wouldn't be running a mack in the first place..


We can't tailor every fit for every potential set of skills. If you don't have the skills needed, either train them or adjust the fit. For example, you can save CPU and grid by downgrading to equivalent named mods, or replace a low/rig with a fitting mod etc etc.
We'll provide the baseline, you then adjust that baseline to work for you.
duh? Seriously you added absolutely nothing to this conversation with your overly obvious post. On the other hand I was responding clearly to a statement by a fellow that if I am not running 3x mlu I should be in a skiff. I litterly cannot run 3x MLU in mack without leaving mid slots open no matter the amount of downgrading on tank related items...
XZemlja
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2012-08-12 01:26:55 UTC
i fly mack like this at the moment. i tank npc easy after patch:
[Mackinaw, Tank/Yield]
Internal Force Field Array I
Power Diagnostic System II

Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Gistum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Gistum C-Type Thermic Dissipation Amplifier
Pithum B-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

a bit more ore with mining upgrade in low slot dont do big deal.
Chris Slayter
Perdition
#33 - 2012-08-12 02:42:33 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
I litterly cannot run 3x MLU in mack without leaving mid slots open no matter the amount of downgrading on tank related items...


Well... actually it is possible to do that:

[Mackinaw, 3MLU]

Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Upgraded EM Ward Amplifier I
Upgraded Thermic Dissipation Amplifier I

Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I

All5 and requires 6% CPUImp or downgrading the Invuls. 24k EHP.
ashley Eoner
#34 - 2012-08-12 03:32:35 UTC  |  Edited by: ashley Eoner
Chris Slayter wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
I litterly cannot run 3x MLU in mack without leaving mid slots open no matter the amount of downgrading on tank related items...


Well... actually it is possible to do that:

[Mackinaw, 3MLU]

Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Upgraded EM Ward Amplifier I
Upgraded Thermic Dissipation Amplifier I

Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I

All5 and requires 6% CPUImp or downgrading the Invuls. 24k EHP.
What part of "I cannot run" do you not understand?

I'm guessing people can't be bothered to read threads these days...




XZemlja : You're quite an attractive gankbait with those modules ;)
Methesda
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2012-08-13 04:09:05 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
What part of "I cannot run" do you not understand?

I'm guessing people can't be bothered to read threads these days...



I don't think he is saying that you can in your present state. I think he is saying that it is possible to do that. I've the thread just fine, but all I'm really getting is that you are trying to illicit some sort of argument.

Get a life.

Eve is about the journey.  If you are so focused on making money, that you insist on having the tools to make it be made as autonomous and easy as possible, then you are never going to have as much fun as I will.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#36 - 2012-08-13 14:56:12 UTC
XZemlja wrote:
i fly mack like this at the moment. i tank npc easy after patch:
[Mackinaw, Tank/Yield]
Internal Force Field Array I
Power Diagnostic System II

Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Gistum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Gistum C-Type Thermic Dissipation Amplifier
Pithum B-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

a bit more ore with mining upgrade in low slot dont do big deal.



What a juicy loot piñata. Tell us where you mine, we'd like to test that shield resistances.

brb
steave435
Perkone
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-08-13 18:52:31 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
steave435 wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
if you're not fitting 3x mlus on your mackinaw, just fly a skiff.
I cannot fit 3x MLU on a mackinaw. Probably cannot even fit 2x MLU on a skiff without leaving mid slots open. There are newbies just starting off in this game that don't have perfect skills and 3000m in implants to toss around..

Not to mention the skiff requires a lot more attention so you don't waste cycles of your one strip miner to pull out 9 m3 of ore.. Overall if you're just running a field without micromanaging shut off times you'll mine less with the skiff. Now if you're mining ice or extremely large roids somewhere then that wouldn't matter. If I was doing that though I wouldn't be running a mack in the first place..


We can't tailor every fit for every potential set of skills. If you don't have the skills needed, either train them or adjust the fit. For example, you can save CPU and grid by downgrading to equivalent named mods, or replace a low/rig with a fitting mod etc etc.
We'll provide the baseline, you then adjust that baseline to work for you.
duh? Seriously you added absolutely nothing to this conversation with your overly obvious post. On the other hand I was responding clearly to a statement by a fellow that if I am not running 3x mlu I should be in a skiff. I litterly cannot run 3x MLU in mack without leaving mid slots open no matter the amount of downgrading on tank related items...

The point is that it's 100% irrelevant if YOU can run something or not. Threads like these discuss what's possible and what the best fits are, and then you adapt it to your own skills on your own. Since you repeatedly bring up whether you can do it or not, you obviously do not get that point.
Kyshonuba
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-08-13 22:22:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Kyshonuba
Inferno 11.2 added the pirate implants to the market.
For miners with powergrid and CPU problems the "genolution" set may be helpful. It adds powergrid and CPU bonus. The set goes approximatly for 100 mill (part 1 & part 2) atm at the jita market
Pipa Porto
#39 - 2012-08-13 22:46:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
ashley Eoner wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
if you're not fitting 3x mlus on your mackinaw, just fly a skiff.
I cannot fit 3x MLU on a mackinaw. Probably cannot even fit 2x MLU on a skiff without leaving mid slots open. There are newbies just starting off in this game that don't have perfect skills and 3000m in implants to toss around..

Not to mention the skiff requires a lot more attention so you don't waste cycles of your one strip miner to pull out 9 m3 of ore.. Overall if you're just running a field without micromanaging shut off times you'll mine less with the skiff. Now if you're mining ice or extremely large roids somewhere then that wouldn't matter. If I was doing that though I wouldn't be running a mack in the first place..


There is basically no excuse for not being able to fit 2 MLUs on a Skiff. Heck, a Skiff with no tank mods at all has 33k EHP vs EMP, and 33k EHP vs Void (i.e. not profitable to gank for T2 loot and salvage).

Rigs left empty to allow you to compensate for your terrible skills.

53k EHP vs Void
50k EHP vs Quake
56k EHP vs EMP
59k EHP vs PP


[Skiff, Terrible Skills]

Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Limited 'Anointed' EM Ward Field
Limited Thermic Dissipation Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

[Empty Rig slot]
[Empty Rig slot]



Oh, and here's something that fits with all 0s in Skills:

32k vs Void, 39k vs EMP, 36k vs Quake, 31k vs PP.


[Skiff, You're possibly the worst at EVE]

Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited 'Anointed' EM Ward Field
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

Modulated Strip Miner II

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I


Hobgoblin II x3


EDIT: Entirely forgot to OH. So the numbers are low. Oh well.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Kyshonuba
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#40 - 2012-08-14 06:29:12 UTC
You may want to replace one of the mid modules with a survey scanner ruby. Ashley made a good point

ashley Eoner wrote:


Not to mention the skiff requires a lot more attention so you don't waste cycles of your one strip miner to pull out 9 m3 of ore.. Overall if you're just running a field without micromanaging shut off times you'll mine less with the skiff.



The skiff has an effictive X3 strip miner (200% bonus to strip miner yield) meaning you'll also loose X3 time if you full cycle nearly depleted asteroids.
Small roids like Scordite (~ 38 000m³) and Omber (~10 000m³) usually deplete after 2-3 cycles meaning that the smaller roid variants of them probaply cant load up a single full cycle of a skiff strip miner.
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