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Why Carebears Will Never Stop Complaining

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#101 - 2012-08-13 18:37:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Velicitia
Lord Zim wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
Chill dudes. Both playstyles are valid... just so long as both sides realise that this game is cold and unforgiving. Only real difference between the two is that the carebears get their "wins" on the market, and the combat dudes get them at the gates (stations, POS, whatever).

I get both, but I'd prefer it if I could have it all in nullsec instead of it being vastly easier effort/reward-wise to do a vast majority of what I do in EVE in hisec.


Agreed, to a point. Nullsec should need empire, just as it "needs" W-space, and empire needs both for economic viability.

Sure, null is completely broken on the industry side ... but I think that's more to do with the proliferation of supers than anything. Had we not gotten capitals, or had there been some even higher yield rocks added (e.g. a +25% veld variant, or similar) that would offset the stupidly high lowend needs, we would most likely still see a thriving industrial side out there, because it would be "just as easy" as getting it from Jita.

TBH, I miss the danger/unknown/fun* of null ... but I simply don't have the time to commit to living out in null (I'm an industrialist -- empire benefits me in that I don't need to plan "far" in advance for a POS fuel run, or stay up til 0500 on a random night because of something bad happening).


*there was always something going on ... and always someone to chat with, or who needed help with something as boring as moving stuff from A to B ... empire doesn't have that, because I'm "safe enough" flying solo.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#102 - 2012-08-13 18:37:23 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Andski wrote:
This guy, for example: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14321354

Autopiloted a freighter loaded with his life's worth. So much for that!


And that's why you always stay alligned! You warp in? Bye bye scum! I warp out, dock, and go do something else while you bang your head and insults against the station hull. Hmmm, maybe I'll jump to somewhere I can rat, or station trade, or even play a different game? Oh so many options! Haha!

I hear you can stay aligned in a freighter the instant you go through a gate.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#103 - 2012-08-13 18:37:40 UTC
Anslo wrote:
And that's why you always stay alligned! You warp in? Bye bye scum! I warp out, dock, and go do something else while you bang your head and insults against the station hull. Hmmm, maybe I'll jump to somewhere I can rat, or station trade, or even play a different game? Oh so many options! Haha!


A good bump will do it.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#104 - 2012-08-13 18:38:00 UTC
tldr wall o txt



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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#105 - 2012-08-13 18:38:56 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Andski wrote:
Anslo wrote:
I do deserve it. I worked for it. You did nothing. You deserve nothing. Deal with it. Ban High Sec Griefers!


You worked for it, but you did nothing to protect it. And thus, it was taken from you, all with the press of "F1" and the prompt removal of the fruits of your labor from your wreck.


That's why I mission, I don't take your bait, I just ignore you scum :) I don't care if I did "nothing to protect it," meaning answering your goads at pvp by taking you on and then being blobbed by your street hoodlum pals. It's mine. Deal with it.

All griefers should be banned!

You mission? So you partake in PvP.

Or did you get that mission ship from bots?


I got my mission ship from working up by PURE PVE :) I did missions, trained, got more money.

You bought your ship right? or went old school and built it. Guess what, you partook in PvP.

The only way to avoid PvP in this game (not counting unconsensual stuff like ganks) is to only run missions in the ships and modules you get from missions. otherwise you are competing with other players for limited supplies, and fueling the PvP lifeblood of the game.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#106 - 2012-08-13 18:39:09 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Sure, null is completely broken on the industry side ... but I think that's more to do with the proliferation of supers than anything. Had we not gotten capitals, or had there been some even higher yield rocks added (e.g. a +25% veld variant, or similar) that would offset the stupidly high lowend needs, we would still see a thriving industrial side out there.


Supercaps are built entirely in POS - even the components. The problem is a lack of manufacturing slots in nullsec - a backwater hisec system can have far more slots than an entire 0.0 region.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#107 - 2012-08-13 18:39:19 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Sure, null is completely broken on the industry side ... but I think that's more to do with the proliferation of supers than anything.

Wrong. Do the math on how much industrial capacity f.ex deklein has, then compare it to some of the systems in hisec.

Supers has fuckall to do with industrial capacity.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Hiyora Akachi
Blood Alcohol Content
T O P S H E L F
#108 - 2012-08-13 18:39:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Hiyora Akachi
Does this guy do this alot?

You know, speak for a majority who shares none of his viewpoints? If people don't like how Highsec isn't completely bubble wrapped they should just leave.


EDIT:
Andski wrote:
This guy, for example: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14321354

Autopiloted a freighter loaded with his life's worth. So much for that!


-dies laughing-
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#109 - 2012-08-13 18:43:54 UTC
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
Null sec pilots = 25% of the player base and the vocal lot
high sec pilots - 75% and really couldnt care less what the rest of the game is doing
You have a source for these numbers, I take it?
Hiyora Akachi
Blood Alcohol Content
T O P S H E L F
#110 - 2012-08-13 18:44:26 UTC
99% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#111 - 2012-08-13 18:48:03 UTC
85% of all statistics are made up on the spot, the remaining 57% is just pulled out of someone's ass.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Velicitia
XS Tech
#112 - 2012-08-13 18:50:18 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
Sure, null is completely broken on the industry side ... but I think that's more to do with the proliferation of supers than anything.

Wrong. Do the math on how much industrial capacity f.ex deklein has, then compare it to some of the systems in hisec.

Supers has fuckall to do with industrial capacity.


**** me thinking faster than typing and accidentallying everything...

"Industry" should have been "mining" (i.e. actually acquiring everything -- that's easier with JFing 425's or whatever the "best" mineral compression mod this patch will bring than mining).

Empire does have a fuckton of industrial capacity. It's also too damn cheap to be "balanced" well against null, even if it was severely limited in some way. perhaps CCP should have enforced the same 'rules' on empire as nullsec -- one station/system... ?

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#113 - 2012-08-13 18:55:38 UTC
It's not so much that hisec has a fuckton of industrial capacity, as much as it is nullsec has **** for industrial capacity.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#114 - 2012-08-13 18:55:45 UTC
So I log on today and I see a wall of ship toasts on a really bad thread from almost a month ago.

Is this what we're doing now?

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Velicitia
XS Tech
#115 - 2012-08-13 19:15:23 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
So I log on today and I see a wall of ship toasts on a really bad thread from almost a month ago.

Is this what we're doing now?



better than new threads...

@ Zim -- 'kay, so uh, how to balance it out then?

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
ISD TYPE40
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#116 - 2012-08-13 23:54:48 UTC
Well, since this thread appears to have started as a rant and devolved in to an insult slinging contest, I'm going to lock it. In future please try and post responsibly - ISD Type40.

[b]ISD Type40 Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department[/b]