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How Tier 3 Battlecruisers Killed EVE PVP
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James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#141 - 2012-08-13 18:12:47 UTC
Mutant Caldari wrote:
Jesus christ, you are stupid and there are so many holes in your story that it isn't even funny. An alpha Tornado only hits for about 11k damage with maxed(Or close to max) skills and that's with T2 Arties. You can't shoot -10 capsules? That's an idiotic assumption on your part and you really should learn the game mechanics before you ***** about them. You can't shoot empty ships, no, but you can take them out from under the person's nose if they are just sitting next to them in a pod. I understand all of this requires the mental capacity of someone who has more than a double digit I.Q. and I know that is asking a lot of you carebears but maybe you should learn game mechanics before bitching.

According to my observations, carebears tend to shoot off about game mechanics before learning about them. Kind of like when they talk about the EULA. Blink

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Alara IonStorm
#142 - 2012-08-13 18:17:27 UTC
James 315 wrote:

According to my observations, carebears tend to shoot off about game mechanics before learning about them. Kind of like when they talk about the EULA. Blink

I think talk like that is technically griefing. I've taken the liberty of petitioning you 18 times in a row, that way you get banned faster. I filed it under every category so they can't miss it. I haven't read the EULA so I just wrote he plays the game in opposition to the way I play the game.

Enjoy your incoming perma-ban.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#143 - 2012-08-13 18:18:27 UTC
PvP is not an acronym for combat, noob.

(i'll just repeat this until everybody got it ... ^^)
Hiyora Akachi
Blood Alcohol Content
T O P S H E L F
#144 - 2012-08-13 18:19:58 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
To top it all off, many of the people who fly these things are Bronies! Nothing like losing your frigate on an undock and then having Rainbow Dash linked in local.




>.> Whats wrong with Bronies?
Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#145 - 2012-08-13 18:22:31 UTC
PvP != Combat
Undock in a bigger ship

Be polite. Be efficient. Have a plan to troll everyone you meet - KuroVolt
Garreth Vlox
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#146 - 2012-08-13 18:31:24 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
We're all familiar with the Tier 3 (Hereafter T3) Battlecruisers. They are BCs that can fit BS sized guns and can do quite a bit of damage, although they are frail.

EVE is being invaded by the Call of Duty "Bro" mentality. This mentality is all about "blapping" and "fragging" and "l33t kills" and "noob tubes".

T3s offer these....people....the best way to get l33t kills. A T3 can alpha strike many targets smaller than a battlecruiser, so you can sit off a station undock in lo sec waiting to alpha people. This is technically PVP, but seriously CCP?

T3s also have also created a new kind of risk averse PVPer who is interested only in blapping frigs and runs from anything that he can't alpha. You see them roaming through low and null blapping frigates but running from anything bigger.

CCP has created a ship designed to appeal to the legions of trolls and no-skill CoD rejects. It has turned much of lo sec EVE pvp into a joke and BroFest.

To top it all off, many of the people who fly these things are Bronies! Nothing like losing your frigate on an undock and then having Rainbow Dash linked in local.

Holy **** do you make a whine thread about every ship type that kills you?

The LULZ Boat.
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#147 - 2012-08-13 18:43:52 UTC
Tarn Kugisa wrote:
PvP != Combat
Undock in a bigger ship

But not to big!
Remember we are helping this one since he went to the forums.
We can kill the rest.
Baby ChuChu
Ice Cream Asylum
#148 - 2012-08-13 19:42:01 UTC
So sour.
Pipa Porto
#149 - 2012-08-13 20:25:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Ubiquitous Newt wrote:
I think making a point of tanking a ship qualifies as "an ounce" of prevention, thanks. Again: the only other ships that can carry a POS are Orcas, freighters and ...oh, right - cloaky haulers. I freely admit to picking one of those up afterward. Lesson learned.

...I still don't think you'll make a valid argument that hisec Tornado ganking even vaguely constitutes a reasonable "risk vs reward" scenario, however. FFS , that Tornado pilot I ran into has a 38:1 profit ratio. If money gets tight and I decided I'm enough of a jerkass, I might try it myself....


1. Ganking with a Tornado is more expensive than Ganking in an insured Battleship pre-Crucible.

2. The only reason ganking Haulers is profitable is because people like you make it profitable for the people ganking you. (Red Frog/Push could have taken your stuff to your destination system, then you could have undocked and warped straight to your moon. No need to buy a Freighter.)

3. Had you only had the POS in your hold, you wouldn't have been ganked for it. You were ganked for the 300m ISK worth of other stuff filling the hold of a ship that, fit like that, can be killed by a warm bucket of spit.

3a. Multiple trips would have saved you.

4. Just because it's your best effort at tanking your ship doesn't mean that it's a good tank. (T2 1MN MWD Roll)

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Irya Boone
The Scope
#150 - 2012-08-13 20:30:19 UTC
I heard that mackinaw killed eve pvp and wow pvp ..... rumorsShocked

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

you shall all bow and pray BoB
nat longshot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#151 - 2012-08-13 21:35:19 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Except, of course, that Tier 3 Battle Cruisers are most vulnerable to... wait for it.... frigates.

The most difficult thing for these Battle Cruisers to bring those large BS guns to bear on (unless the pilot is incredibly bad) is... you guessed it... frigates.

I think there is a problem, but it has little to do with Tier 3 Battle Cruisers. Smile


3 of them are the Talos has a 25m3 drone bay to handle frigs.

 [13:12:18] CCP Punkturis nat longshot you're a cutie.. OH YAH I WIN!!
Pipa Porto
#152 - 2012-08-13 21:49:37 UTC
nat longshot wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Except, of course, that Tier 3 Battle Cruisers are most vulnerable to... wait for it.... frigates.

The most difficult thing for these Battle Cruisers to bring those large BS guns to bear on (unless the pilot is incredibly bad) is... you guessed it... frigates.

I think there is a problem, but it has little to do with Tier 3 Battle Cruisers. Smile


3 of them are the Talos has a 25m3 drone bay to handle frigs.


Frigates are really good at killing Light Drones.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Alara IonStorm
#153 - 2012-08-13 21:53:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Pipa Porto wrote:
nat longshot wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Except, of course, that Tier 3 Battle Cruisers are most vulnerable to... wait for it.... frigates.

The most difficult thing for these Battle Cruisers to bring those large BS guns to bear on (unless the pilot is incredibly bad) is... you guessed it... frigates.

I think there is a problem, but it has little to do with Tier 3 Battle Cruisers. Smile

3 of them are the Talos has a 25m3 drone bay to handle frigs.

Frigates are really good at killing Light Drones.

Good chunk of my anti-frigate DPS comes from Medium weapons while Webs and Neutralizers are great help. Not many duel web armor Talos out there with everyone fitting Shield.

It may be one of the least vulnerable Tier 3's but compared to the other 8 it is 9th most vulnerable BC. (fit depending of course.)
Jaison Savrin
Brave Empire Inc.
Brave United
#154 - 2012-08-13 22:35:00 UTC
As someone who does a lot of hauling. You picked the wrong ship and/or tactics for the job.

I enjoy hauling. I have hauled billions upon billions of ISK for my corp, friends, contracts, etc etc.

Step One: Know where you're going (High, Low, Null)

Step Two: PICK THE RIGHT SHIP. All industrials are not created equal.

Step Three: Tank, Tank, for the love of god, tank! You don't need more space than you need. If you need 5k M3. Fit one cargo extender and tank tank tank! I say again "FOR THE LOVE OF GOD TANK!"

Step Four: You will fail eventually no matter how good you think you are. We all make mistakes. I got a Prowler caught in a bubble because I was stupid and warped to 0 in Nul. Get over it. Grab your ****, fit a new ship. Do it again and don't **** it up twice.


None of these steps (and there are plenty more) include whining on the forums because you were unprepared.
Burseg Sardaukar
Free State Project
#155 - 2012-08-13 23:23:01 UTC
I find them a really good strategic choice when obvious bait ships warp into a belt in my system, with their buddies and 3x logi's next door. I have a couple noobs scram the dude, and me and a couple others just volley into the bait ship. Worst case scenario: we lose 2 atrons. Best case: we kill the bait, and start picking off logis and support as they stumble onto grid 130km out.

Can't wait to dual box my Dust toon and EVE toon on the same machine!
Adeleda Adoudel
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#156 - 2012-08-13 23:33:37 UTC
Learn2manual pilot sir. Tier3s struggle to hit smaller targets because of the tracking. If you know how to fly.
Mechael
Tribal Liberation Distribution and Retail
#157 - 2012-08-13 23:48:11 UTC
Large weapons are blapping small ships? Sounds like a problem with the way the tracking formula works, to me.

Oversized weapons on a ship always was a really wonky idea anyway.

Whether or not you win the game matters not.  It's if you bought it.
Garreth Vlox
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#158 - 2012-08-14 00:00:19 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Except, of course, that Tier 3 Battle Cruisers are most vulnerable to... wait for it.... frigates.

The most difficult thing for these Battle Cruisers to bring those large BS guns to bear on (unless the frigate pilot is incredibly bad)... you guessed it... frigates.

I think there is a problem, but it has little to do with Tier 3 Battle Cruisers. Smile


Or just undocking where the T3 is already in strike position waiting to hit F1.


If your in a FRIGATE and being popped by a BC size target on the undock of a station then you really should go play WOW. CCP gives you 10 seconds of invul to locking when you undock, if you can't get a FRIGATE in warp within 10 seconds of undocking you might be the dumbest person in EVE.

The LULZ Boat.
Pipa Porto
#159 - 2012-08-14 00:59:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Garreth Vlox wrote:
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Or just undocking where the T3 is already in strike position waiting to hit F1.


If your in a FRIGATE and being popped by a BC size target on the undock of a station then you really should go play WOW. CCP gives you 10 seconds of invul to locking when you undock, if you can't get a FRIGATE in warp within 10 seconds of undocking you might be the dumbest person in EVE.



Good try, and I applaud the effort, but...

You don't actually know how undock mechanics work.

First, you get 30s of Invulnerability.
Second, the 10s session change timer is just the time you have to wait before redocking.
Third, trying to enter warp ends the invulnerability (as do most other actions).
Fourth, Ctrl-Space or Spamming the Dock button don't affect the invulnerability timer.

So it is kind of possible to lock and pop a frigate (with a bad align time or who doesn't reduce speed before aligning somewhere else) before they warp off. It is also trivial (as the frigate pilot) to avoid that death, either by redocking or using previously set up insta-undock bookmarks.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Garreth Vlox
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#160 - 2012-08-14 01:05:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Garreth Vlox
Ubiquitous Newt wrote:

So basically you put a huge amount of money in a ship unsuitable to hold it yet still good enough to tank a couple of shots from a Tornado if fit right and what you took away from it are Tornado's are unfair.
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You assume too much, catbag. I put a "moderate" amount of items in the only cost effective ship that would hold it, tanked it as completely as possible, and got ganked by an extremely cost-effective ship with a broken risk/reward ratio. In "hisec." (lulz) They don't make battleships with holds big enough to carry a POS, including a cargo-expanded, shield-tanked marauder, so your options are indy, Orca, or freighter, of which the latter two are frankly more goddamn money than you should have to spend to have a semi-decent chance at Arriving Alive with a few hundred mil of cargo....Really, the problem here is that there is no middle-range hauler between an indy and an Orca, but that's been an issue for years.

...That said, I'm with the OP; you all can hate on him all you want, but the fact remains that T3 BCs are frigging easymode for ganks, and useless for anything else. When you show us one used for anything *other* than bullying frigates and indys, maybe we'll be impressed.[/quote]


Looks like hauling stuff safely isn't the only thing you don't know how to do right.

EDIT* LOL your post is so ****** it ****** mine up. That's some win right there.

The LULZ Boat.