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Alara IonStorm
#21 - 2012-08-12 17:25:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Sigras wrote:

yep though i was responding to the flawed notion that the Mackinaw has "about the same yield" as the Hulk; 15% is not "about the same"

by that logic why not get a retriever? its got "about the same yield" and "about the same ore bay"
or why ever get an implant? its "about the same as not having one"

I never said it did have the same yield as a Hulk. I said it has about the same yield as the old Cargo Hulk the OP is sad about losing.

No one in this thread said a Mackinaw can get more or the same yield as the new Hulk so I am not really sure what flawed notion you are responding too. What?
Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-08-12 18:25:55 UTC
chandraboy wrote:
Ccp you suck seriously you removed 50percent of my capacity and i should be happy for you allowing me to pay to playi know peeps who are goiing to quit playing becauuse of your action why. Cant you leave the good thing alone why do you always mess them upOops


Mackinaw. More space than a hulk could ever have and more tank. Spend more time actually looking, and less time spent on whining. Hulk is a fleet mining ship, not a solo AFK mining/hauler.
Vigilant
Vigilant's Vigilante's
#23 - 2012-08-12 19:21:20 UTC
Wah Attention
Kyoso Oni
Perkone
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-08-12 19:59:26 UTC
So you train to exhumers, you take the long road ahead, you save your pennies to buy and fit a Hulk.

You have a dead tech II miner ship, you can dust off for a mining op (people talk here like there were ops everyday.. not for all corps..)

Mackinaw is good for high sec solo and unnoticeable yield difference in mining ops for corp.

Changes were for the best, but difference is too little for tech II, and Hulk got benched hard.

Looking 2 Trade my Hulk for a Mackinaw any day.
Oh wait there's a 60mil difference, well if there's still someone who wants to trade we can settle the difference.

After all that training and saving, I'm solo mining in a Retriever :(



Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-08-12 20:27:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Skeln Thargensen
Kyoso Oni wrote:
So you train to exhumers, you take the long road ahead, you save your pennies to buy and fit a Hulk.

You have a dead tech II miner ship, you can dust off for a mining op (people talk here like there were ops everyday.. not for all corps..)

Mackinaw is good for high sec solo and unnoticeable yield difference in mining ops for corp.

Changes were for the best, but difference is too little for tech II, and Hulk got benched hard.

Looking 2 Trade my Hulk for a Mackinaw any day.
Oh wait there's a 60mil difference, well if there's still someone who wants to trade we can settle the difference.

After all that training and saving, I'm solo mining in a Retriever :(





What's sad about that, it's frikkin' awesome!

ISK is meh, most of your training goes to bonuses on yield and ore hold volume on the Retriever, it's a bargain and not the easy gank it used to be.

Basically, if you find yourself complaining about things to do with Exhumers, then get out of them. The risk/reward is just not worth it imo.

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Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#26 - 2012-08-12 22:29:19 UTC
From an solo miner I choose the procurer (skiff price is madness) , but anyway between the yield, tank, and cargo Im IN MINER HEAVEN the changes are fine I use T-2 fitted and the cargo holds my crystals and 5 drones to fend off NPC'S, I tested a cycle of prox and got a little over 10 thousand per cycle total 40 thousand of prox that was nice, retriever I don't care for because I just want get some stuff for a build and get back to other things before my eyes glaze over, since I have no orca support a hulk is not needed, Big smile.
Sigras
Conglomo
#27 - 2012-08-13 11:43:25 UTC
Look at the arguments we're having, I think this is exactly what CCP wanted. Before if someone asked whats the best mining ship, everyone said "the hulk unless youre ice mining then its the mackinaw" now we have pages and pages of arguing about which is best, that my friends is the beauty of incomparables

For those of you who want to be lazy and dont think the 15% bonus is worth it, go mine in a mackinaw.

For those of you willing to put in the work to make the hulk pay off, enjoy your 15% yield bonus above all the lazy people.
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-08-13 12:04:01 UTC
Sigras wrote:
Look at the arguments we're having, I think this is exactly what CCP wanted. Before if someone asked whats the best mining ship, everyone said "the hulk unless youre ice mining then its the mackinaw" now we have pages and pages of arguing about which is best, that my friends is the beauty of incomparables

For those of you who want to be lazy and dont think the 15% bonus is worth it, go mine in a mackinaw.

For those of you willing to put in the work to make the hulk pay off, enjoy your 15% yield bonus above all the lazy people.


No, what you have is pages and pages of Hulk pilots whining and everyone else getting it.

I am lazy though, doing housework, cooking meals, working out etc.

Stare at the rocks.

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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#29 - 2012-08-13 14:44:57 UTC
90K EHP decent ore bay skiff is just amazingly good and almost gank proof while reading a book, doing some other stuff.
38/40K EHP Mackinaw has enough yeld/ore bay for a ship you can use while also doing some stuff like cooking, reading a good book, watching your favourite you tube channel, doing some paperwork etc.

Why are you people complaining?

brb

CorInaXeraL
The Dresdeneers
#30 - 2012-08-13 14:51:31 UTC
How are these threads still appearing?

I am thoroughly enjoying my Mackinaw+Orca. Demolished quite a few rocks last night, actually. Best PvR experience ever.
Griznatch
Distinguished Gentleman's Boating Club
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#31 - 2012-08-13 15:44:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Griznatch
I minerd for an hour and theres no ore in my cargo bay! WHERE'S MY ORE CCP?!?!

I used to have a clever sig but I lost it.

Sarik Olecar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2012-08-13 15:52:30 UTC
In the future, please think before you post.

That is all,
Sarik

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Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#33 - 2012-08-13 16:06:23 UTC
Dear CCP...

WHAAAA...ma'ussy is full of sand and my 'it urts...

Signed the guy in his mack making bank now... *munches on Veldspar*... You know.. *chewing noise*... these changes aren't too bad... *Cha-ching noise of ISKies*... I mean... they could be better I suppose... but really now... *burp*... CCP your just evil making me have to unfit my hulk and move modules over to my mack and undock... what's next make me have to type in my password everytime I login? MY gwad!!
Blink
Pipa Porto
#34 - 2012-08-13 23:07:39 UTC
OP wrote:
Dear CCP,

How dare you buff the ships used in my EVE cubicle farm job. I'm gonna cry and quit.

And this coming hot on the heels of nerfing suicide ganks* in Crucible. How dare you try to help us overcome our inadequacies.

Sincerely,
Miners.


Just goes to show that you really can't please them, ever. Before HAG, they were whining about their income. Roll



*Before anyone yells, the Insurance nerf more than compensated for the Dessie buff/introduction of T3s.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto

Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-08-14 13:28:07 UTC
Mackinaw is now the best in ALL normal mining situations.

I mine in a retriever, and I feel that my ship was over-buffed. I see no reason to move to a covetor when my yield won't significantly increase.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."

Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2012-08-14 13:29:40 UTC
CorInaXeraL wrote:
How are these threads still appearing?

I am thoroughly enjoying my Mackinaw+Orca. Demolished quite a few rocks last night, actually. Best PvR experience ever.

I hope you're aware that you would get a better yield with two mackinaws.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."

CorInaXeraL
The Dresdeneers
#37 - 2012-08-14 15:02:48 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
CorInaXeraL wrote:
How are these threads still appearing?

I am thoroughly enjoying my Mackinaw+Orca. Demolished quite a few rocks last night, actually. Best PvR experience ever.

I hope you're aware that you would get a better yield with two mackinaws.


I'm lazy, I like my mobile POS. My Mackinaw can cuddle up to the soft underbelly of the Orca's hull and drone to the sound of mining lasers against the harsh chill of the ice. I can also keep my little HAC in the Ship-Maintenance hold if I feel the urge to blow things up.


I don't care about min/max yield.
ashley Eoner
#38 - 2012-08-14 22:57:05 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Mackinaw is now the best in ALL normal mining situations.

I mine in a retriever, and I feel that my ship was over-buffed. I see no reason to move to a covetor when my yield won't significantly increase.
If that's truly the case then you're doing it wrong. I have a noticeable increase in yield but that's because I'm using the covetor and Hulk like it's supposed to be used... you know as a fleet miner..
Monsieur Leon
Doomheim
#39 - 2012-08-15 00:30:41 UTC
CCP needs to correct the nerf on the Hulk. Its supposed to be the top of the Exhumers. It eliminated the cargo hold and gave it a crap ore hold - pre patch 18k cargo bay to post patch 8.5k ore hold. In addition it removed -2.5 shield resistance per level and gave nothing as a replacement.

CCP needs to fix what it broke and make hulk the top ship of the exhumer tier.

This was not a rebalancing, but an attempt to bottom out market prices for ice and high sec ores in order to FORCE players into low sec.
Dave stark
#40 - 2012-08-15 00:55:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
Monsieur Leon wrote:
CCP needs to correct the nerf on the Hulk. Its supposed to be the top of the Exhumers. It eliminated the cargo hold and gave it a crap ore hold - pre patch 18k cargo bay to post patch 8.5k ore hold. In addition it removed -2.5 shield resistance per level and gave nothing as a replacement.

CCP needs to fix what it broke and make hulk the top ship of the exhumer tier.

This was not a rebalancing, but an attempt to bottom out market prices for ice and high sec ores in order to FORCE players into low sec.


remind me again how the hulk isn't the highest yield mining ship in the game.

they did give you some thing for the shield nerf; more shield hitpoints.

just because you chose to shitfit your hulk pre-patch you feel you got nerfed, when infact all you need to do is swap to a mackinaw and shut the **** up.

people moaning about mining barges are really starting to **** me off, where were you when we were discussing the changes when they were on sisi? nowhere to be ******* found, you didn't make your voice heard when they were being tested, you sure as **** don't deserve to be heard now.

swap to a mackinaw and gtfo.

oh, on a side note if they want to force players in to low sec, changes to miners isn't going to do ****, low sec ores are worth less than any other ore. high sec ore values go down, so do low sec ones due to the fact they mainly give the same minerals as high sec ores, which just further compounds the issue of low sec being **** for mining.