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Operation Metropolis is Fubar'd Success
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Horak Thor
Angry Mustellid
#1 - 2012-08-12 23:39:46 UTC
So when Nulli joined, we in the minmatar thought the best we can possibly do is recapture as fast as possible after they leave.
Then a few corp's alliances thought well, the only 2 possible ways to come out of this having "won" is to either make nulli loose waaaay to much (Special mention Q Cats) or to stop them getting enough systems to push T5.

Thus begun a horribly long and never ending string of unrewarding defensive plexing. long story short we managed to keep our constellation in metro of 8 systems. plus a few around it. nulli wouldnt come near it fearing the loss of theyre countless droves of gunless frigates. (thanks to SEFEM, Zombies, Ushra'khan alliance and many others for helping to defend metro).

So Nulli leaves having hit T4 having lost around 3 - 4 thousand ships, some of them nicely faction fit tengus thanking you.

And as it stands 90% of the flipped systems stand around 10 - 20% contested back in our favour

But weve all had fun,
Nulli have been slewn
Plex's have been ran down
and i got to instapop PROGOD in his faction daredevil wooop.

.....
bob hodor
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-08-12 23:46:18 UTC
Horak Thor wrote:
So when Nulli joined, we in the minmatar thought the best we can possibly do is recapture as fast as possible after they leave.
Then a few corp's alliances thought well, the only 2 possible ways to come out of this having "won" is to either make nulli loose waaaay to much (Special mention Q Cats) or to stop them getting enough systems to push T5.

Thus begun a horribly long and never ending string of unrewarding defensive plexing. long story short we managed to keep our constellation in metro of 8 systems. plus a few around it. nulli wouldnt come near it fearing the loss of theyre countless droves of gunless frigates. (thanks to SEFEM, Zombies, Ushra'khan alliance and many others for helping to defend metro).

So Nulli leaves having hit T4 having lost around 3 - 4 thousand ships, some of them nicely faction fit tengus thanking you.

And as it stands 90% of the flipped systems stand around 10 - 20% contested back in our favour

But weve all had fun,
Nulli have been slewn
Plex's have been ran down
and i got to instapop PROGOD in his faction daredevil wooop.



Cool story bro.
Gritz1
Ice Fire Warriors
#3 - 2012-08-12 23:48:33 UTC
Good work. we are proud.
Horak Thor
Angry Mustellid
#4 - 2012-08-12 23:48:45 UTC
bob hodor wrote:

Cool story bro.


Yey i wasted someones time

.....
Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#5 - 2012-08-13 05:30:42 UTC
UK, EM and QCATS have been champs down in Metro. FeO and LNA will be sending duders down to help in the Great Reclamation.

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.
Ctzn Snips
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-08-13 06:12:33 UTC
I hadn't realized Minmitar actually had a militia besides alt plex farmers and QCats.
Braitai
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-08-13 06:15:08 UTC
V nice work. Well done UK, EM, QCats, and any others out there in metro o7.
Silence iKillYouu
Girls Lie But Zkill Doesn't
Pandemic Legion
#8 - 2012-08-13 07:15:24 UTC
Thanks fellas

EVE Mail me i dont check forums often.
Moe Cislak
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-08-13 08:45:02 UTC
Freedom always triumph.
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#10 - 2012-08-13 09:23:03 UTC
You know what the truly scary/hilarious part is?

I bet that their withdrawal was time based and not objective based (sorry chest beaters) and they are probably leaving with well fattened wallets, despite losses thanks to the gross over-incentivization of FW.

Are people really happy with FW having been reduced to a farm where bloated null bodies come to fatten up before going back out into dull-sec? Nulli is a relatively small (numerically) null entity and still managed to completely turn the war around ..

FW for the actual FW crowd no longer exists in my opinion, it was eroded by FarmWars™ expansion patch, zero standing requirement, alliances allowed with no caveats and of course the fact that complaints/whines/observations by people in the trenches have been ignored by the powers that be.
CCP has played their hand very well indeed, they probably had a blueprint of what they wanted FW to be and knowing that people would object to becoming a Null wallet support group they made the changes in small increments .. and thus FarmWars™ emerged from the rotting corpse of FW with not so much as a "Hmmph, why I never!" or a "Wait a minute, that can't be right!" from the masses.

It is my sincerest hope that CCP has a truly magical rabbit to pull out come December .. but judging by opening comment in minutes I doubt they have an interest in letting FW be anything more than a null support feature.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#11 - 2012-08-13 09:42:52 UTC
Ctzn Snips wrote:
I hadn't realized Minmitar actually had a militia besides alt plex farmers and QCats.


Some of the biggest fights ive been in have been in matar space.

Pretty big ABHAC fight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79Xj_SqQo0Q

Fight after Swinging Sisiede
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjFNMliB584
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTXyszYVAJM

Well done matar. People are still saying that you only hit tier 5 because of goons lol
David Devant
CTRL-Q
Ushra'Khan
#12 - 2012-08-13 10:16:02 UTC
WP Metro Contingent :)
Seraphine Keratuus
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-08-13 10:27:14 UTC
Indeed well played.

I salute ye warriors!
Babar Baboli
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-08-13 10:36:39 UTC
Well plexed!
I look forward to when we hit T5, so I can convert all that juicy LP.
Seraphine Keratuus
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-08-13 10:42:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Seraphine Keratuus
Veshta Yoshida wrote:
You know what the truly scary/hilarious part is?

I bet that their withdrawal was time based and not objective based (sorry chest beaters) and they are probably leaving with well fattened wallets, despite losses thanks to the gross over-incentivization of FW.

Are people really happy with FW having been reduced to a farm where bloated null bodies come to fatten up before going back out into dull-sec? Nulli is a relatively small (numerically) null entity and still managed to completely turn the war around ..

FW for the actual FW crowd no longer exists in my opinion, it was eroded by FarmWars™ expansion patch, zero standing requirement, alliances allowed with no caveats and of course the fact that complaints/whines/observations by people in the trenches have been ignored by the powers that be.
CCP has played their hand very well indeed, they probably had a blueprint of what they wanted FW to be and knowing that people would object to becoming a Null wallet support group they made the changes in small increments .. and thus FarmWars™ emerged from the rotting corpse of FW with not so much as a "Hmmph, why I never!" or a "Wait a minute, that can't be right!" from the masses.

It is my sincerest hope that CCP has a truly magical rabbit to pull out come December .. but judging by opening comment in minutes I doubt they have an interest in letting FW be anything more than a null support feature.



There is an old saying in EVE: Adapt or Die!

When FW was changed with Inferno CCP did smt very very right. They brought the one thing to FW that was desperatly needed:
Change.

Many of the things they did were not perfect, some are just bad but none of that really matters.
There is life again in FW, there is Drama, Explosions etc. In short...its content.
There is once again a reason for people to log into the Game were there was none before.

But changes like that require people to change aswell. Playstyles had to adapt or be abandoned.

Many in the Amarr Militia didnt adapt and left the game and "died" in a sense.
Some of them adapted and more joined up and its a new game now.
You and your Corp left.

Personaly i think the biggest Problem FW has currently is that its very difficult for new players to make money from FW and thus to really become a part of the FW community.
There are ways ofc but its harder then it was before the Inferno changes. Especially if the Militia he is in is hard pressed and doesnt hold many systems.

Sry about any grammar- and spelling-mistakes.
Horak Thor
Angry Mustellid
#16 - 2012-08-13 11:28:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Horak Thor
Veshta Yoshida wrote:
You know what the truly scary/hilarious part is?

I bet that their withdrawal was time based and not objective based (sorry chest beaters) and they are probably leaving with well fattened wallets, despite losses thanks to the gross over-incentivization of FW.

Are people really happy with FW having been reduced to a farm where bloated null bodies come to fatten up before going back out into dull-sec? Nulli is a relatively small (numerically) null entity and still managed to completely turn the war around ..

FW for the actual FW crowd no longer exists in my opinion, it was eroded by FarmWars™ expansion patch, zero standing requirement, alliances allowed with no caveats and of course the fact that complaints/whines/observations by people in the trenches have been ignored by the powers that be.
CCP has played their hand very well indeed, they probably had a blueprint of what they wanted FW to be and knowing that people would object to becoming a Null wallet support group they made the changes in small increments .. and thus FarmWars™ emerged from the rotting corpse of FW with not so much as a "Hmmph, why I never!" or a "Wait a minute, that can't be right!" from the masses.

It is my sincerest hope that CCP has a truly magical rabbit to pull out come December .. but judging by opening comment in minutes I doubt they have an interest in letting FW be anything more than a null support feature.



Time based or not (we realize they probably had to go help there NC. brosefs etc) def plexing a 8 system constellation with some extra systems to boot is a large under taking, done by a very very small ammount of people from a number of alliances.
When they made there push and there were 10 WT's in each system of our constellation, we managed to use a 15 man fleet to keep the entire area under 10% contested and then spent the following 12 hours fully decontesting it.

this was there final push to get enough systems for T5 andw e realized if we killed enough and made it mind numbing enough for them they would just give in and cash out at T4, (or so we hoped).

But i agree that the recent changes are a bit borked. a system should have a time limit at vulnerable. we shouldnt be able to lock out the enemy militia or for you to lock us out from flipping systems or defending it via unlimited vulnerable systems and the enemy militia not flipping them.

Im just glad thats over tbh, logging on everyday to def plex was getting tedious so im gonna get as drunk as is possible because i take this game way to serious :)

PS. should also put here that this was just our mind numbing grind against Nulli. Late night did an awesome job fighting blobs in huola to hold that. and iron oxide. managed to keep Auga in our hands through what is probably the hardest assault on one of our systems sov.

.....
Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
#17 - 2012-08-13 11:39:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Joanna Ramirez
Seraphine Keratuus wrote:
Many of the things they did were not perfect, some are just bad but none of that really matters.
There is life again in FW, there is Drama, Explosions etc. In short...its content.
There is once again a reason for people to log into the Game were there was none before.


I let you all in into my tinfoil theory

FW changes happened for three reasons:

1: CCP wants more subscriptions (Everyone and their dog makes an FW alt for farming isk)

2: FW farming (while it lasts) more or less makes so that high-sec mission running becomes unprofitable business in regards to faction items as peoples reserves will probably be filled to brim and market prices stay low for a long time.

3: FW sucks in away lot of spare isk from the economy as side process because FW itself does not generate isk aside from miniscule mission payments.

So CCP lets FW cornucopia spill out the goodies for a while before nerfing it out. Thus they have padded their own revenue and stealth nerfed high-sec without having to suffer another massive forum threads from high-sec dwellers since it will be players who did the whole thing.

And after nerf, FW gets relocated back as a bastard aspect of Eve and good luck waiting for next "makeover".
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-08-13 12:13:36 UTC
Seraphine Keratuus wrote:

There is life again in FW, there is Drama, Explosions etc. In short...its content.


lol

FW is PVE no drama or explosions required.
Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#19 - 2012-08-13 13:19:52 UTC
Damn, looks like I missed a lot of fun during last weekend...
Congratulations to all Ushra'Khan members for doing a good job.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#20 - 2012-08-13 13:24:08 UTC
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
FW is PVE no drama or explosions required.

FW is what you make it. Non-stop PVP, easy isk on the side to pay for non-stop pvp.
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