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The new Mackinkaw, new king miner, better than a hauler, all in one, afk mining machine.
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Sunshine and Lollipops
#141 - 2012-08-13 10:22:49 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
I think everyone is forgetting that the bonuses that MLUs provide are applied to each laser, thus compounding the benefit of fitting one to a ship such as a covetor or a hulk.
Ugh Why… no, how would anyone forget that? It's a yield percent bonus. You multiply old yield with bonus to get new yield. How can anyone possibly mess that up (especially now that all barges have the same effective amount of lasers before bonuses).
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#142 - 2012-08-13 10:26:49 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Which is good, because price double bottoms need nose dives.

lol TA.
Quote:
And then...

... it goes up or down or stays the same.


Well, after a confirmed double bottom it's very very hard for price to go down or stay the same.

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Melodee619
Heavy Industry Construction and Mining Inc.
#143 - 2012-08-13 11:30:28 UTC
Dont know what they did, but they really bolloxed mining now. I went through 12 ICE belts tonight an every one of them had 5-15 Macks+ Orca's. I finally find a Hulk in doxi, an I unloaded on it... Did FA to it. He took my Alpha an just ignored me. lol

One hulk in over 30 miners, yer they provided lots of diversity.....
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#144 - 2012-08-13 11:35:14 UTC
Melodee619 wrote:
Dont know what they did, but they really bolloxed mining now. I went through 12 ICE belts tonight an every one of them had 5-15 Macks+ Orca's. I finally find a Hulk in doxi, an I unloaded on it... Did FA to it. He took my Alpha an just ignored me. lol

One hulk in over 30 miners, yer they provided lots of diversity.....



Remember, people are idiots who don't like change. and don't pay attention. So 'Mack for ice mining. That's how I did it, that's how dad did it' and so on.

They'd do better in hulks, but they're not paying attention.


If more miners did, Scordite wouldn't be worth what it is.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

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MortisLegati
Everything Went Black
#145 - 2012-08-13 11:38:52 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Honestly I think they should just dump the Cargohold down to 2000 for Crystals and increase the ORE Bay to around 200k.

Then introduce light freighters if people miss their improvised hauler so much.



THIS
THIS SO MUCH
Kyshonuba
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#146 - 2012-08-13 12:22:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Kyshonuba
Melodee619 wrote:
Dont know what they did, but they really bolloxed mining now. I went through 12 ICE belts tonight an every one of them had 5-15 Macks+ Orca's. I finally find a Hulk in doxi, an I unloaded on it... Did FA to it. He took my Alpha an just ignored me. lol

One hulk in over 30 miners, yer they provided lots of diversity.....


Checking the weekend kill mail it seems that specialized gank setups like, Illest/Iller insurectionist for example, can do OK "mack ganking" with two destros. For everyone else its probaply 3 destroyers for a save mack kill


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Steve Ronuken wrote:


They'd do better in hulks, but they're not paying attention.



Ice miner's exhumers are more vulnerable to ganks then roid miners because they probaply use the rigs slots for harvester modifications. Asteroid miner can fit the rig slots with extender/hardener modifications because cargo modifications are near to useless after the patch
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#147 - 2012-08-13 12:26:22 UTC
Melodee619 wrote:
Dont know what they did, but they really bolloxed mining now. I went through 12 ICE belts tonight an every one of them had 5-15 Macks+ Orca's. I finally find a Hulk in doxi, an I unloaded on it... Did FA to it. He took my Alpha an just ignored me. lol

One hulk in over 30 miners, yer they provided lots of diversity.....



Better write an complain

Dear CCP, its terrible, ppl are no longer flying paper thin hulls that don't shoot back. Please force them back into such ships so I can blow them up easily for no risk . Its completely ruined mining ....... sulk


Tal


I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#148 - 2012-08-13 12:33:23 UTC
Melodee619 wrote:


The influx of bots is already noticeable, in last 4 days ive seen so many bots where before there were none. They come an go to the exact same spot, they act exactly same every time no matter what you do....



You realize they could just be - ignoring you, right? Ahh no, vanity.
Frying Doom
#149 - 2012-08-13 12:36:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Ptraci wrote:
Melodee619 wrote:


The influx of bots is already noticeable, in last 4 days ive seen so many bots where before there were none. They come an go to the exact same spot, they act exactly same every time no matter what you do....



You realize they could just be - ignoring you, right? Ahh no, vanity.

Yeah any bets on cloaked ships near by or just afk pilots in MacksBig smile

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Tigress Tionese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#150 - 2012-08-13 12:50:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Tigress Tionese
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Melodee619 wrote:
Dont know what they did, but they really bolloxed mining now. I went through 12 ICE belts tonight an every one of them had 5-15 Macks+ Orca's. I finally find a Hulk in doxi, an I unloaded on it... Did FA to it. He took my Alpha an just ignored me. lol

One hulk in over 30 miners, yer they provided lots of diversity.....



Remember, people are idiots who don't like change. and don't pay attention. So 'Mack for ice mining. That's how I did it, that's how dad did it' and so on.

They'd do better in hulks, but they're not paying attention.


If more miners did, Scordite wouldn't be worth what it is.


I'm hearing every excuse in the book to try to stop the inevitable Mackinkaw nerf from taking place. First they say any orca pilot will use hulks, this has been proven false, then they say that that all the hulks hang out in nullsec fleet ops, this has not been proven, and even if it was true, fleet ops are a niche compared to the majority of mining that takes place.

So now the next claim is that people just forgot to switch their ships since the patch, which is another assumption with no facts behind it. The price of mackinkaws and hulks in jita paints a clear picture, mackinkaw is the new top barge of choice for the majority of miners and that's really no great shock considering how imbalanced it is presently.

There was more hulks in the belts and ice fields prepatch, ever since mackinkaws got made into the best overall barge the majority has switched to mackinkaws. So people have adapted to the patch, they've dumped their hulks and switched to mackinkaws. Jita prices reflect this.
Melodee619
Heavy Industry Construction and Mining Inc.
#151 - 2012-08-13 12:55:42 UTC
LOL I love how miners come to forums an cry to CCP that they are above the rule set an should be hand held. CCP listen an give them that immunity they feel they deserve. Amusing. As for the trolls "trying" to score points... irrelevant. facts are facts, CCP always listen to the ones who complain the most. EG Miners/botters

This is a fact

Jihad they screamed an ranted that waaa we deserve to have our hands held.
CCP listened an bang! Concord boost was given.

Forward 3 years, Miners cry an rave that they alone deserve to be protected, it isn't fair they shouldn't have to use their brain cel an actually think to protect themselves....
CCP listens....

After all god forbid, a miner had to NOT mine in high pop systems
After all god forbid a miner actually mined in mission belts
After all god forbid a Miner actually used Dscan
After all god forbid a miner actually talked to others to find out who gankers are an -10 them, so they could see em coming.

After all....oh **** it lol Basically miners dont want self responsibility, they "demand" CCP protect em... :)

100$ says Mission runners will be next, they will work out that miners got what they demanded, an they will say "it isnt fair, we want to be free to mission anywhere we choose in 10b fittings without any risk... lol

As for my little self, I enjoy going after Viators an haulers in general. dont give a damn about loot, kills for tears is payment enough.
Melodee619
Heavy Industry Construction and Mining Inc.
#152 - 2012-08-13 12:58:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Melodee619
Tigress Tionese wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Melodee619 wrote:
Dont know what they did, but they really bolloxed mining now. I went through 12 ICE belts tonight an every one of them had 5-15 Macks+ Orca's. I finally find a Hulk in doxi, an I unloaded on it... Did FA to it. He took my Alpha an just ignored me. lol

One hulk in over 30 miners, yer they provided lots of diversity.....



Remember, people are idiots who don't like change. and don't pay attention. So 'Mack for ice mining. That's how I did it, that's how dad did it' and so on.

They'd do better in hulks, but they're not paying attention.


If more miners did, Scordite wouldn't be worth what it is.


I'm hearing every excuse in the book to try to stop the inevitable Mackinkaw nerf from taking place. First they say any orca pilot will use hulks, this has been proven false, then they say that that all the hulks hang out in nullsec fleet ops, this has not been proven, and even if it was true, fleet ops are a niche compared to the majority of mining that takes place.

So now the next claim is that people just forgot to switch their ships since the patch, which is another assumption with no facts behind it. The price of mackinkaws and hulks in jita paints a clear picture, mackinkaw is the new top barge of choice for the majority of miners and that's really no great shock considering how imbalanced it is presently.

There was more hulks in the belts and ice fields prepatch, ever since mackinkaws got made into the best overall barge the majority has switched to mackinkaws. So people have adapted to the patch, they've dumped their hulks and switched to mackinkaws. Jita prices reflect this.



I actually hit like on your post, because its quite well written an true for most part. 1 hulk in 3 hours hunting tonight, v 30+ Macks....that alone shows your right. CCP just traded one ship for another, an gave it immunity to death so botters an afkers can go anywhere they want.

edit
CCP wont nerf Macks, not after they came out an explained how great their patch was, an how its opened up mining.... when in reality they have made it 100x easier for botters an afkers.
Frying Doom
#153 - 2012-08-13 13:04:55 UTC
Melodee619 wrote:
LOL I love how miners come to forums an cry to CCP that they are above the rule set an should be hand held. CCP listen an give them that immunity they feel they deserve. Amusing. As for the trolls "trying" to score points... irrelevant. facts are facts, CCP always listen to the ones who complain the most. EG Miners/botters

This is a fact

Jihad they screamed an ranted that waaa we deserve to have our hands held.
CCP listened an bang! Concord boost was given.

Forward 3 years, Miners cry an rave that they alone deserve to be protected, it isn't fair they shouldn't have to use their brain cel an actually think to protect themselves....
CCP listens....

After all god forbid, a miner had to NOT mine in high pop systems
After all god forbid a miner actually mined in mission belts
After all god forbid a Miner actually used Dscan
After all god forbid a miner actually talked to others to find out who gankers are an -10 them, so they could see em coming.

After all....oh **** it lol Basically miners dont want self responsibility, they "demand" CCP protect em... :)

100$ says Mission runners will be next, they will work out that miners got what they demanded, an they will say "it isnt fair, we want to be free to mission anywhere we choose in 10b fittings without any risk... lol

As for my little self, I enjoy going after Viators an haulers in general. dont give a damn about loot, kills for tears is payment enough.

I would have been more inclined to say subs dropped CCP put in a Concord fix, subs dropped again so CCP put in these awesome barges.

It is CCP's wallet that needs protecting not the miners. Especially as CCP's money mostly comes from Hi-sec miners and mission runners and I will bet the people shelling out real cash for Plex's comes from the same.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Tigress Tionese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#154 - 2012-08-13 13:06:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Tigress Tionese
Melodee619 wrote:
Tigress Tionese wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Melodee619 wrote:
Dont know what they did, but they really bolloxed mining now. I went through 12 ICE belts tonight an every one of them had 5-15 Macks+ Orca's. I finally find a Hulk in doxi, an I unloaded on it... Did FA to it. He took my Alpha an just ignored me. lol

One hulk in over 30 miners, yer they provided lots of diversity.....



Remember, people are idiots who don't like change. and don't pay attention. So 'Mack for ice mining. That's how I did it, that's how dad did it' and so on.

They'd do better in hulks, but they're not paying attention.


If more miners did, Scordite wouldn't be worth what it is.


I'm hearing every excuse in the book to try to stop the inevitable Mackinkaw nerf from taking place. First they say any orca pilot will use hulks, this has been proven false, then they say that that all the hulks hang out in nullsec fleet ops, this has not been proven, and even if it was true, fleet ops are a niche compared to the majority of mining that takes place.

So now the next claim is that people just forgot to switch their ships since the patch, which is another assumption with no facts behind it. The price of mackinkaws and hulks in jita paints a clear picture, mackinkaw is the new top barge of choice for the majority of miners and that's really no great shock considering how imbalanced it is presently.

There was more hulks in the belts and ice fields prepatch, ever since mackinkaws got made into the best overall barge the majority has switched to mackinkaws. So people have adapted to the patch, they've dumped their hulks and switched to mackinkaws. Jita prices reflect this.



I actually hit like on your post, because its quite well written an true for most part. 1 hulk in 3 hours hunting tonight, v 30+ Macks....that alone shows your right. CCP just traded one ship for another, an gave it immunity to death so botters an afkers can go anywhere they want.

edit
CCP wont nerf Macks, not after they came out an explained how great their patch was, an how its opened up mining.... when in reality they have made it 100x easier for botters an afkers.


All barges needed was a HP buff, but the devs went too far. Giving one barge a 35k m3 cargo hold has turned mining into an afk joke to be done by alts. The ice market is crashing, and the belts are jam packed with afk mackinkaw miners, this is the first signs of the problem. How could they not have seen this coming? The next set of whining will start by miners when ice mining yield drops to a few mill per hour.

Barges needed a HP buff, the mackinkaw and hulk are about where they need to be, still very killable if you fail to tank it. The skiffs yield seems a bit high though for the protection it offers. But why all this extra for the mack? Did someone not stop and say "er maybe it's not such a good idea to give a mining ship a cargo bay that will allow miners to AFK mine for up to an hour at a time?".

The moment they gave a single ship a 35k m3 ore hold and a yield that is just 9% behind the highest yield barge, it was obviously going to become the new barge of choice for most miners.
Melodee619
Heavy Industry Construction and Mining Inc.
#155 - 2012-08-13 13:19:16 UTC
CCP always over react, Jihad showed that. Goons have done alot for eve, an Jihad itself made HS "fun".... was sad when CCP over reacted.
Tigress Tionese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#156 - 2012-08-13 13:22:35 UTC
Melodee619 wrote:
CCP always over react, Jihad showed that. Goons have done alot for eve, an Jihad itself made HS "fun".... was sad when CCP over reacted.


I agree that they over reacted, the moment they released the first changes on Sisi the were insane, they had to nerf them a few times on Sisi. It's really hard to understand their line of thinking with the mackinkaws ridiculous ore hold size, how could they not see that they were creating an even bigger problem?
Frying Doom
#157 - 2012-08-13 13:26:29 UTC
Tigress Tionese wrote:
Melodee619 wrote:
CCP always over react, Jihad showed that. Goons have done alot for eve, an Jihad itself made HS "fun".... was sad when CCP over reacted.


I agree that they over reacted, the moment they released the first changes on Sisi the were insane, they had to nerf them a few times on Sisi. It's really hard to understand their line of thinking with the mackinkaws ridiculous ore hold size, how could they not see that they were creating an even bigger problem?

Isn't this normally where someone chimes in with 'sandbox', the ability to play the game the way you want.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Melodee619
Heavy Industry Construction and Mining Inc.
#158 - 2012-08-13 13:26:43 UTC
Tigress Tionese wrote:
Melodee619 wrote:
CCP always over react, Jihad showed that. Goons have done alot for eve, an Jihad itself made HS "fun".... was sad when CCP over reacted.


I agree that they over reacted, the moment they released the first changes on Sisi the were insane, they had to nerf them a few times on Sisi. It's really hard to understand their line of thinking with the mackinkaws ridiculous ore hold size, how could they not see that they were creating an even bigger problem?


yer, I dont think they care too much, these changes smack of "well screw em, lets just do it".
Randomize All
Doomheim
#159 - 2012-08-13 13:35:37 UTC
It's not like CCP to look at something, interpret it completely wrong and then make a change that actually makes the situation worse. Not like CCP at all. What Sreegs doesn't know, we don't tell.
Randomize All
Doomheim
#160 - 2012-08-13 13:39:52 UTC
Melodee619 wrote:
100$ says Mission runners will be next, they will work out that miners got what they demanded, an they will say "it isnt fair, we want to be free to mission anywhere we choose in 10b fittings without any risk... lol.


I presume you never heard of the lofty scam, or any of the other names it went by. Anyway, CCP are more than happy to wipe the bottoms of miners, missioners and Incursion runners. In fact they're not just happy to do it, they kind of insist on it.

But why, why would CCP want fluffy, soft hearted, easy life loving softies populating their game?
Is there some sort of demographic difference they are trying to install?
Would it have anything to do with selling Gold Ammo in the NeX store?