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All Kill No Skill 14,071
Webvan All Kill No Skill Likes received: 14,071	#21 - 2012-08-13 08:09:22 UTC even the spyware has spyware... I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

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Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire Likes received: 15,906	#22 - 2012-08-13 08:40:16 UTC 2 wow. just wow. This is sad. ★★★ Secure 3rd party service ★★★ Visit my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar' Twitter @ChribbaVeldspar

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Goremageddon Box Guerrilla Flotilla Likes received: 1,185	#23 - 2012-08-13 09:09:26 UTC Chribba wrote: wow. just wow. This is sad. They shoulda jus added another c infront of ccp... Tianiciry.. Wtd is that

Tippia

Sunshine and Lollipops

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#24 - 2012-08-13 10:27:51 UTC | Edited by: Tippia

Pipa Porto wrote:

Buying a PLEX from CCP is buying a future's contract from CCP for 1 month Gametime with an undetermined maturity.
Selling a PLEX to another player is selling that future's contract for money in a different currency than you bought it with.
What amount of Currency2 you sell the loan for, and what you do with that currency has nothing to do with CCP.

I prefer to look at it as a non-expiring call option for 30d game time or 3,500 AUR.

Goremageddon Box wrote:

They shoulda jus added another c infront of ccp... Tianiciry.. Wtd is that

The company that has licensed EVE to run it behind ze great firewall of China. They do that with quite a few MMOs and other online games.

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Baby ChuChu Ice Cream Asylum Likes received: 1,921	#25 - 2012-08-13 10:33:59 UTC 1 For $3000, it better be indestructible and come with a supernova cannon that shoots ammo in the form of CCP Soundwave's face and every time you score a kill it better broadcast a 5 minute version of nyan cat over the entire server.

Peter Raptor

Galactic Hawks

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#26 - 2012-08-13 10:39:22 UTC

Pipa Porto wrote:

Zagdul wrote:

If I buy GTC's and sell them, I don't see where the isk goes, it's instant. All I know is that the price of these things are going up... so, as a person who doesn't care that the isk is coming from other players, I can go buy isk, legally.

The only difference, and it's what CCP has you believing is that because the market is player ran that we're not buying said titan from CCP. Where in fact, I gave CCP $30 for each GTC I purchased and in return, I got isk. Provided there is a character for sale in the Bazaar and a titan, I can in fact, pay to win in EVE. The only way EVE no longer becomes pay to win is if nobody ever bought PLEX's off the market and we no longer received ISK for our $30.

It's just disguised well, and you all fall for it.

You don't buy the Titan nor the Character from CCP. You don't sell the GTC/PLEX to CCP. Besides being the provider for the service you are trading (gametime), CCP is uninvolved.

Just because you don't meet the players face to face doesn't mean they aren't there. Just like the Stock market.

Buying a PLEX from CCP is buying a future's contract from CCP for 1 month Gametime with an undetermined maturity.
Selling a PLEX to another player is selling that future's contract for money in a different currency than you bought it with.
What amount of Currency2 you sell the loan for, and what you do with that currency has nothing to do with CCP.

If you call it Pay to Win, that's fine. It flies in the face of what normal people call Pay to Win (items purchased from the game company bypassing the normal mechanics to acquire said items), but that's your call.

Also, to properly be called RMT, the system would have to allow players to "Cash Out." Since you can never receive OOG Currency through the PLEX system, you can't "Cash Out," so it's not properly RMT.

Man you're splitting hairs over nothing. Roll

Ok CCP designs a game in such a way that you can buy a titan with real money in it, so its pay to win practically speaking

Happy now or are you stubborn ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVC_g68nUpo

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#27 - 2012-08-13 10:52:46 UTC

Why should we concern ourselves with what goes on in the China server? They like the P2W playstyle and fortunately for us China get their own server to play that way on. Who cares?

Granted...can CCP still say that EVE is one shard? Still...China is special in their own way when it comes to the internet. So I state again...who cares?

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#28 - 2012-08-13 10:54:44 UTC

Peter Raptor wrote:

Man you're splitting hairs over nothing. Roll

Ok CCP designs a game in such a way that you can buy a titan with real money in it, so its pay to win practically speaking

Happy now or are you stubborn ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVC_g68nUpo

You can pay for other people to play for you, and in return they could buy a titan. There is a subtle, but important difference between buying a Titan with real money and buying gametime for other people and having those other people give you ISK and then using that ISK to buy a Titan.

Namely, the whole other people part that's so important.

Again, you're using a definition of P2W that is not the commonly accepted one (paying for items that bypass normal game mechanical means of acquisition or for items that are otherwise unavailable). PLEX are really tokens of an OOG service rather than items (since they serve no IG purpose), so they don't fit either of those categories.

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Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops Likes received: 27,526	#29 - 2012-08-13 10:54:56 UTC 1 Peter Raptor wrote: Ok CCP designs a game in such a way that you can buy a titan with real money in it, so its pay to win practically speaking Happy now or are you stubborn ? …except that you cannot buy a titan with real money other than going to illegitimate third parties and risk getting thrown out of the game.

Peter Raptor

Galactic Hawks

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#30 - 2012-08-13 10:57:54 UTC

Tippia wrote:

Peter Raptor wrote:

Ok CCP designs a game in such a way that you can buy a titan with real money in it, so its pay to win practically speaking

Happy now or are you stubborn ?

…except that you cannot buy a titan with real money other than going to illegitimate third parties and risk getting thrown out of the game.

Plex

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Christopher AET Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation Likes received: 954	#31 - 2012-08-13 10:57:58 UTC 1 The lack of comprepension of what a plex is is astounding. It is simply game time in a transferable medium. P2W is something from nothing. With plex someone has already put in the hard work for a commodity. They are willing to give up said commodity for game time. Nothing is created only transferred. I drain ducks of their moisture for sustenance.


Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops Likes received: 27,526	#32 - 2012-08-13 11:00:24 UTC 2 Peter Raptor wrote: Plex …doesn't let you buy a titan for real money. It lets you buy game time or AUR for real money.

Peter Raptor

Galactic Hawks

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#33 - 2012-08-13 11:07:04 UTC | Edited by: Peter Raptor

Tippia wrote:

Peter Raptor wrote:

Plex

…doesn't let you buy a titan for real money. It lets you buy game time or AUR for real money.

Ok uhmmm, I buy 200 plex from CCP, I get a gadzillion isk on market after selling the plex, then I buy titan....

I'll be honest, I do feel like I'm talking to miss south carolina here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww

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Tippia

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#34 - 2012-08-13 11:14:19 UTC

Peter Raptor wrote:

Ok uhmmm, I buy 200 plex from CCP, I get a gadzillion isk on market after selling the plex, then I buy titan....

…in other words, you're not buying a titan for real money. You're buying a titan for ISK just like everyone else.

If you find someone who has paid real money for… anything, really, in the game, send off a petition and have them inappropriately probed by Sreegs et al.

Pipa Porto

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#35 - 2012-08-13 11:19:33 UTC

Peter Raptor wrote:

Tippia wrote:

Peter Raptor wrote:

Plex

…doesn't let you buy a titan for real money. It lets you buy game time or AUR for real money.

Where does the ISK come from? Players.
What do they do with the PLEX? Eventually, Redeem for Game time.

You are, at worst, paying others to grind ISK for you. You are not buying anything with Real Money (besides a subscription, whether you call its PLEX form an option or a futures contract).

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Peter Raptor

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#36 - 2012-08-13 11:21:53 UTC | Edited by: Peter Raptor

Tippia wrote:

Peter Raptor wrote:

Ok uhmmm, I buy 200 plex from CCP, I get a gadzillion isk on market after selling the plex, then I buy titan....

Unbelievable, Have a nice day, I got more constructive things to do than discuss this, like, watch my lawn grow , I really think I'd get more outta that Roll

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Rordan D'Kherr Imperial Academy Amarr Empire Likes received: 475	#37 - 2012-08-13 11:31:17 UTC 1 Beat the cash out of Asia. Keep the cool game for US / EU etc. Fine for me. Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime.

Tippia

Sunshine and Lollipops

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#38 - 2012-08-13 11:32:32 UTC

Peter Raptor wrote:

Unbelievable

Very believable, actually, since that's how the game works.

Paying real money for in-game stuff is a nice and easy way to not gain any in-game stuff, but rather to lose it all.

The only conceivable way to interpret PLEX as a way to pay real money for stuff is to consider everything in the game as paid for by real money (since you have to pay for your subscription to create it), making every game ever a case of pay-for-stuff (I can't have the Holy Lance in Talisman unless someone bought the game) and thus render the whole concept meaningless and make any kind of distinction impossible.