EVE General Discussion

I'm also surprised that people who live in nullsec would oppose an idea that would obviously break nullsec, and which is only supported by

1. WH dwellers who think that their private server is a lot like nullsec - only more hardcore.

2. People who naively anticipate that they'll be able to invade nullsec and carebear for a bit after it's broken.

3. People who think that "spam dscan" is a replacement for local.

4. Out-and-out idiots.

There's a lot of overlap between #1, #3, and #4.

If 0.0 didn't had a local everyone would move to WH since it's more profitable

If local were removed without a reliable, working method of quickly (within a few seconds) after being in a system of finding if there are hostile ships, I'd leave EVE.

PVP would completely suck and so would finding fights/targets.

I strictly play EVE to log in and find fights. Removing local with EVE in it's current state would make it more effort than it'd be worth. As it stands, without decent income for the 'grunt' in null sec, vast swaths of space are already uninhabited because frankly it's just not worth living there. By adding more 'risk' to it, you'd find even more of a ghost town, less targets to shoot and those fewer targets would be harder to find.

Not to mention how OP a manticore with a cyno would be. I could literally warp cloaked to a ratting carrier, he'd never know I was around and drop a titan on him for a surprise DD. Oh god the tears that would follow about how OP this would be.


IF they change anything with local right now, it should only show you after you've decloaked from a gate jump. Lore wise, the gate scanner doesn't pick you up until you've entered the new system. Theoretically, you're not actually 'in' the system until you break your initial gate cloak.

That's a good start. It's the exact same start I had. But if you don't stop with that, you'll soon get to what's so bad about removing local.

Maybe that's what some AFK cloakers are hoping for when they suggest that as a solution to people whining about them going AFK in their ratting systems. I get the idea most of the times removing cloakies from local it's done with a heavy dose of sarcasm since the poster knows this is the kind of things that would happen.

I think we just need to view local as a 2 edged sword, it provides benefits and drawbacks that we experience depending on what we're currently up to, you're example of looking for fights shows that it benefits you in that regard just as it benefits those ratting and mining in various null systems when a neutral or red jumps through, while it acts as a disadvantage to someone attempting covert stuff.

You know perfectly well why.

Here's a hint: It'd be an exasperation of why nullsec is as depopulated on a day to day basis as it is already, today.

ITT: uberleet nullbears begging for 0.0 not becoming "less safe" because then they wouldnt be able to make buckloads of ISK semi-afk while posting bullsh*t on the forums about high-sec being too safe.

What you see happening in this thread, ladies and gentlemen, is 0.0 residents openly saying they want 0.0 space to remain a safe blue ocean of ISK floating freely around. So much for 0.0 leetness, ROFL!

92 likes from NPC alts (and honorary NPC alts) doesn't mean it's a good idea

we've wargamed it

it won't bring any easy ratter KMs because nobody will actually 'live' in nullsec

tell me more about how local allows you to do things AFK

do you know what local is???