EVE General Discussion

>suicide gank
>nullsec

you quoted out of context, :

"Temp hi sec CFC mining fleets would really provide some cheeky laughter, somebody could even setup some "Bees Country" corp to suicide gank them to return them the Hulkageddon favor."

Beginning to wonder if you might be a politician ?

Don't use is much, but on my Mac F3 is the auto-massage function

Didn't you read the patch notes? Macks got battleship EHP now, like 30k+ ore holds and 3 strip miners...

Does it cause escalation in Sleeper sites...if not, dude I need to get me one of those!

Yeah, that would throw it a bit, but reading it that way for me, adding hulks, and I came out with 40k

(for those that don't get that, WH 40K Orcs spread across the galaxy buy hitching rides on abandoned hulks as they floated though the cosmos)

No madam, I am not discounting the logistic problems with shifting large volumes of Tritanium and Pyerite. I know them well and deal with them often. As an aside I'd also like to point out the hi-sec manufacturers don't always have the luxury of building in the same system where they mine or refine. So we all share to pain of shifting unwieldy volumes of minerals. I'd often be willing to except a 10% loss or greater if it meant making only one trip instead of five.

I also agree that nul-sec manufacturing is at a terrible disadvantage in comparison to hi-sec. It is not hard to find a hi-sec manufacturing slot that is open, and the overhead costs for renting those slots are ridiculously small. Meanwhile, the few nul-sec slots are typically reserved for alliance capital production pushing other manufacturing to expensive, high overhead POS's. Perhaps when starbases make it into the redesign pipeline, CCP will address both of these issues.

I know few capital builders who mine all their Trit and Pye themselves no matter how many alts they maintain, so I know there is a nul-sec demand for them. I also know that those imported, compressed minerals are not simply going directly into the manufacturing process without reprocessing. That reprocessing is going to happen where the least waste occurs. Since starbase refining if full of fail, that will be the same outposts that nul-sec miners will refine their ore. These are also the same systems most likely to have industrial upgrades because no one wants to haul ore farther then necessary to refine it. Am I correct so far?

If I am then explain how the logistics to bring a hi-sec ore to refine in nul-sec is any different that that for a nul-sec ore? It take the same time to mine the equal volumes of Spodumain and Veldspar. It takes the same number of trips to shift the identical volumes. You are going to refine it at the same place someone is reprocessing their compressed minerals. I'm failing to understand why anyone would continue to incur the overheard of importing Trit in compressed form if it were available on the local market.

And yet I can go to any system with a Minmatar outpost and find belts full of Veldspar and Scordite completely untouched. You can't fill those needs for low ends if you don't even try.

If you won't do what you can to do to put downward pressure on low end prices by mining what is available and at least subsiding some of the nul-sec demand while the ores are actually valuable, then the problem doesn't not lie with balance, or yield rates, or industrial upgrades, or CCP.

Huh, I figured I was making way too much on Scordite.

My anecdotal evidence disagrees.

I actually have a lot of fun mining and null because of PvP. Granted, I don't enjoy fighting in itself, but the thrill and anticipation of raiders gives me chills.