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Gillia Winddancer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2012-08-11 17:58:06 UTC
So someone who wants to do reports on events and gets the tools to do so effectively, most likely under the condition not to abuse it in any way, causes an uproar?


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James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#62 - 2012-08-11 18:16:31 UTC
Well, there used to be claims of abuse, but I think that's a lot less likely now than it was back in the BoB days.

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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#63 - 2012-08-11 19:25:52 UTC
I tried boarding a Polaris frig once :( ... http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/ladyspank/sig_badsigns_03_polaris.jpg

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Pipa Porto
#64 - 2012-08-11 20:28:59 UTC
Aruken Marr wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Zloco Crendraven wrote:
CCP issued polaris frigs to reporters here on tranqulity also to broadcast some events. So nth strange really.


Since when?


I think they started it when FW was introduced. The idea was to allow certain player volunteers to keep other players up to date on the real happenings of FW and write up reports and what not. That is as far as I remember.

Not sure why people are busting a nut over this. (Edit: Clearly these players would be highly monitored)


Could you link where there's evidence of this happening on TQ?

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#65 - 2012-08-11 22:55:53 UTC
Anya Ohaya wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
CCP should give me a Jove battleship and let me run amok until it's destroyed. Call it a live event.


Have you actually seen the stats on an Eidolon? A couple of normal battleships would take it down pretty quick.

I've seen an actual Eidolon on the test server, and it didn't last very long against a group of 6+ battleships.

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Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#66 - 2012-08-12 17:19:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Renan Ruivo
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Anya Ohaya wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
CCP should give me a Jove battleship and let me run amok until it's destroyed. Call it a live event.


Have you actually seen the stats on an Eidolon? A couple of normal battleships would take it down pretty quick.

I've seen an actual Eidolon on the test server, and it didn't last very long against a group of 6+ battleships.


Player or NPC? Who was flying it?

Eve-wiki or in-game info do not show what sort of bonuses it has. Any sub-capital ship can go down pretty quickly if the pilot doesn't have the proper skills trained to a good level.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#67 - 2012-08-12 21:04:29 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
CCP should give me a Jove battleship and let me run amok until it's destroyed. Call it a live event.


If so I'll bring my battlebadger

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#68 - 2012-08-12 22:25:56 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Renan Ruivo wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Anya Ohaya wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
CCP should give me a Jove battleship and let me run amok until it's destroyed. Call it a live event.


Have you actually seen the stats on an Eidolon? A couple of normal battleships would take it down pretty quick.

I've seen an actual Eidolon on the test server, and it didn't last very long against a group of 6+ battleships.


Player or NPC? Who was flying it?

Eve-wiki or in-game info do not show what sort of bonuses it has. Any sub-capital ship can go down pretty quickly if the pilot doesn't have the proper skills trained to a good level.

A GM was flying it.

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Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#69 - 2012-08-12 23:03:50 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
I tried boarding a Polaris frig once :( ... http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/ladyspank/sig_badsigns_03_polaris.jpg


Noob

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WAXER Hinken
Doomheim
#70 - 2012-08-12 23:32:38 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
CCP does not control Serenity?
Serenity is operated by our Chinese partner, Tiancity.

You meant your "partner."
alittlebirdy
All Hail The Liopleurodon
#71 - 2012-08-13 00:13:07 UTC
Spy 21 wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
CCP does not control Serenity?
Serenity is operated by our Chinese partner, Tiancity.


And CCP had to hand over control of their intellectual property to the Chinese partner I 'm guessing?

Surprised we've not seen a Chinese knockoff of the game already.

S



I wish we would would be the only thing from china that works better than the orginal.
Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2012-08-13 00:27:16 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Aruken Marr wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Zloco Crendraven wrote:
CCP issued polaris frigs to reporters here on tranqulity also to broadcast some events. So nth strange really.


Since when?


I think they started it when FW was introduced. The idea was to allow certain player volunteers to keep other players up to date on the real happenings of FW and write up reports and what not. That is as far as I remember.

Not sure why people are busting a nut over this. (Edit: Clearly these players would be highly monitored)


Could you link where there's evidence of this happening on TQ?


Oh hell no. That was dredged up from the far reaches of my memory. Gonna have to take my word for it or go find some stuff yourself from back in 08 :P
LFO Phreaker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2012-08-13 00:35:53 UTC
tmtr, who is this friend? You make them sound so interesting and mysterious. More background info will get me into topic more. Will we have to wait for season 2? I bet show will be canceled:(
Pipa Porto
#74 - 2012-08-13 02:32:38 UTC
Aruken Marr wrote:
Oh hell no. That was dredged up from the far reaches of my memory. Gonna have to take my word for it or go find some stuff yourself from back in 08 :P


I've never heard of anything of the sort. So far as I know, TQ reporting by non-CCP employees has always been done from player ships (usually by players involved in the event making the news).

There have been some occurrences of GMs and Devs getting decloaked in various Polaris ships (at least once even dropping a Polaris frig as loot, though CCP worked out a trade with the person who got that loot), but those were all them watching fleetfights to get an idea of performance.

If you want to assert that CCP gave special spy reporter ships to players, you're gonna have to come up with the evidence to back it up.

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-RubyPorto
Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2012-08-13 10:31:10 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Aruken Marr wrote:
Oh hell no. That was dredged up from the far reaches of my memory. Gonna have to take my word for it or go find some stuff yourself from back in 08 :P


I've never heard of anything of the sort. So far as I know, TQ reporting by non-CCP employees has always been done from player ships (usually by players involved in the event making the news).

There have been some occurrences of GMs and Devs getting decloaked in various Polaris ships (at least once even dropping a Polaris frig as loot, though CCP worked out a trade with the person who got that loot), but those were all them watching fleetfights to get an idea of performance.

If you want to assert that CCP gave special spy reporter ships to players, you're gonna have to come up with the evidence to back it up.


http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISD_IC

In the time it took you to write that post you could've searched for it yourself.
Pipa Porto
#76 - 2012-08-13 10:35:39 UTC
Aruken Marr wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Aruken Marr wrote:
Oh hell no. That was dredged up from the far reaches of my memory. Gonna have to take my word for it or go find some stuff yourself from back in 08 :P


I've never heard of anything of the sort. So far as I know, TQ reporting by non-CCP employees has always been done from player ships (usually by players involved in the event making the news).

There have been some occurrences of GMs and Devs getting decloaked in various Polaris ships (at least once even dropping a Polaris frig as loot, though CCP worked out a trade with the person who got that loot), but those were all them watching fleetfights to get an idea of performance.

If you want to assert that CCP gave special spy reporter ships to players, you're gonna have to come up with the evidence to back it up.


http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISD_IC

In the time it took you to write that post you could've searched for it yourself.


I'm familiar with the IC program.

I see nothing in that about special ships.

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-RubyPorto
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#77 - 2012-08-13 10:39:55 UTC
Aruken Marr wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Aruken Marr wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Zloco Crendraven wrote:
CCP issued polaris frigs to reporters here on tranqulity also to broadcast some events. So nth strange really.


Since when?


I think they started it when FW was introduced. The idea was to allow certain player volunteers to keep other players up to date on the real happenings of FW and write up reports and what not. That is as far as I remember.

Not sure why people are busting a nut over this. (Edit: Clearly these players would be highly monitored)


Could you link where there's evidence of this happening on TQ?


Oh hell no. That was dredged up from the far reaches of my memory. Gonna have to take my word for it or go find some stuff yourself from back in 08 :P

CCP has given Polaris ships to reporters, these reporters however afaik are ISD/IC reporters so they are under the contract of any CCP volunteer. So saying they give Polaris ships to "reporters" is more giving it to an employee of a kind. Not normal regular pilots.

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Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#78 - 2012-08-13 10:48:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Aruken Marr
Pipa Porto wrote:
Aruken Marr wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Aruken Marr wrote:
Oh hell no. That was dredged up from the far reaches of my memory. Gonna have to take my word for it or go find some stuff yourself from back in 08 :P


I've never heard of anything of the sort. So far as I know, TQ reporting by non-CCP employees has always been done from player ships (usually by players involved in the event making the news).

There have been some occurrences of GMs and Devs getting decloaked in various Polaris ships (at least once even dropping a Polaris frig as loot, though CCP worked out a trade with the person who got that loot), but those were all them watching fleetfights to get an idea of performance.

If you want to assert that CCP gave special spy reporter ships to players, you're gonna have to come up with the evidence to back it up.


http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISD_IC

In the time it took you to write that post you could've searched for it yourself.


I'm familiar with the IC program.

I see nothing in that about special ships.


http://www.eve-search.com/thread/298819-0/page/1
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1771532#post1771532

That's what Ive found besides my own memories of seeing ISD IC in polaris ships. But there's no doubt that you won't take that as "evidence". Should I take the time to petition a written statement form CCP or would you like get off your arse and do something yourself?

Chribba wrote:


CCP has given Polaris ships to reporters, these reporters however afaik are ISD/IC reporters so they are under the contract of any CCP volunteer. So saying they give Polaris ships to "reporters" is more giving it to an employee of a kind. Not normal regular pilots.

/c


Does this mean the guy's over on the Chinese server with polaris are not under some sort of volunteer contract agreement with Tiancity? Because if not I can understand the problem.
Pipa Porto
#79 - 2012-08-13 11:13:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Aruken Marr wrote:

http://www.eve-search.com/thread/298819-0/page/1
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1771532#post1771532

That's what Ive found besides my own memories of seeing ISD IC in polaris ships. But there's no doubt that you won't take that as "evidence". Should I take the time to petition a written statement form CCP or would you like get off your arse and do something yourself?


See, that stuff, what with the actually mentioning of Polaris frigs. That stuff's some good evidence.

The IC page was great tautological evidence of the IC existing, but since it made no mention of Polaris ships, it's not evidence of the IC having access to Polaris ships.

Those two threads, where people are mentioning ISDs in Polaris ships are evidence of ISDs in Polaris ships. I'm glad you think so low of me that you assume after dismissing not-evidence as not-evidence, I will also dismiss evidence as not-evidence.

As for doing something myself, go ahead and Google "Philosophical Burden of Proof." Basically means that if you make a claim (like "ISDs have access to Polaris Frigs"), you have to provide the evidence (like a post saying "Hey, this ISD guy was hanging out in his Polaris frig"). As someone who's simply responding to your claim, until you provide that evidence (as you now have), I am not required to do anything other than say "Show me."

Now that you have provided evidence, I think that giving players access to special ships to spy report on goings on around EVE is a terrible idea. No matter how "impartial" the ISDs are supposed to be*. The CCL can be reigned in by public opinion if they go to far, the ISDs in the rookie channels can get shouted down if they give bad advice, but by the time CCP figures out someone's been abusing their IC privileges to spy on their IG adversaries, the damage may have already been done.

I also think that news stories of big fights are better written by synthesizing battle reports from people on each side, the way evenews24 (kind of) does it (kind of badly), than by having an observer looking on without being part of anyone's comms. From the look of that old forums thread, killboards weren't really a thing at that point, so there was value in ticking off kills. But with kill reports, that function's pretty well obsolete.

*By the way, regardless of what contract they're under, to me they're EVE players first, and more than that, they are EVE players who Volunteer for a for-profit company.

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Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2012-08-13 12:36:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Aruken Marr
Pipa Porto wrote:
Aruken Marr wrote:

http://www.eve-search.com/thread/298819-0/page/1
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1771532#post1771532

That's what Ive found besides my own memories of seeing ISD IC in polaris ships. But there's no doubt that you won't take that as "evidence". Should I take the time to petition a written statement form CCP or would you like get off your arse and do something yourself?


Those two threads, where people are mentioning ISDs in Polaris ships are evidence of ISDs in Polaris ships. I'm glad you think so low of me that you assume after dismissing not-evidence as not-evidence, I will also dismiss evidence as not-evidence.

You do realise those are two forum posts detailing the sightings of IDSs in Polaris frigs right? Forum posts from personal experience. What exactly do you think my original post was?

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As for doing something myself, go ahead and Google "Philosophical Burden of Proof." Basically means that if you make a claim (like "ISDs have access to Polaris Frigs"), you have to provide the evidence (like a post saying "Hey, this ISD guy was hanging out in his Polaris frig"). As someone who's simply responding to your claim, until you provide that evidence (as you now have), I am not required to do anything other than say "Show me.".


Thanks for assuming I didn't already know that. But then again I was simply providing input from personal experience (which oddly enough is exactly what the links I provided were doing... you know... the one's you treated as evidence.) Maybe if I'd wished to enter into a drawn out philosophical discussion of the existence of a potato I would've cited several agricultural articles on the cultivation of the Solanum tuberosum plant. Instead I wanted to provide some semi relevant input to a half baked discussion about the apparent human rights violations by a CCP partner. E: in an internet spaceship forum about spaceships I really couldn't give a **** about what I'm obliged to do. If you really wanted to find stuff out that badly, why should I be expected to do the leg work for you?