EVE General Discussion

As usual you twist something those you don't side for say and "forget" to point out the inconsistencies of those who you side for.

- You forgot an "any longer". Hi sec disco ganks are rare only since the insurance nerf. AoE ganks were done since the dawn of EvE and only relatively recently demand more careful targets selection. That is, it was "the other standard" practiced by more coordinated corps vs the individual ganks "a la 2-3 dessies".

- On the other side you forgot how Anski original example wanted to prove something (0.0 mining fleet ganks happen) but which ends up being irrelevant. Evidently they happen but not enough to warrant an ABC minerals increase in value so that it does disprove prove his point (which is: feeble attempt show how stuff also happens in 0.0. It does not happen enough).


In the end, 100M of Megacyte units are attributed a value with the same mechanicm used to value of 1 Trit unit: the value the markets aka the players behind them put in them. 100M of Megacyte have an inherent value of zero, they only buy value due to human assigned factors. An prominent factor among those factors, is the risk involved at acquiring said Megacyte.
If the perceived risk is low, then the value will be low and only logistics and opportunity vs doing something else will dictate the actual price.

No, you're "Allowed" to make it safer. There's no real way to kick everyone out of your hisec mining or mission running system. Hisec carries the inherent risk of spending every waking hour in the same system as the people that wish you harm. Nullsec on the other hand allows you to stop them 10 systems out in a collaberative effort. As well as beeing given an early warning that they wish to do you harm through Local chat.

Hisec ganking borders closer on awoxing in 0.0 then it does PVP.

Yeah how odd how those you harp upon are always the same "bloc" and those you brown nose are always the other.

Edit: always as in "most often", before you bring in the umpteenth nitpick.

How odd that your prejudice always leads you to see things you want to see rather than things that actually take place.

Wait, let me see if I understand this correctly. In one paragraph you believe there is a problem with the value of hi-sec ores, then in the next you call Spodumain crap even though it refines into 85% hi-sec minerals and 15% of the most valuable lo-sec mineral excluding Morphite. Could it be that you really don't understand the problem economically, or is it that you just want CCP to change some numbers so you and others don't have to change the way you play?

The high value of hi-sec ores and the low value of nul-sec minerals is completely a result of apathy and risk aversion by mamy nul-sec miners. Many nul-sec miners would simply rather sit in the minimally more secure industrial upgraded grav site, chewing on the least valuable rock so that they can clear the site and spawn new ABC, than go to the nominally less secure belts and mine the clearly more vaulable Veldspar and Scordite.

With the removal of drone compounds and Meta 0 loot drops, unless you are melting Meta 1 and higher loot, Nul-sec and J-space are now the only sources for Megacyte. Since the price of Megacyte still remains relatively low with the removal of other soucres, it is clear that nul-sec miners can easily fill the demand.

Some might suggest reducing or removing entirely the Spodzilla rock from the industrial grav sites entirely. That answer is short sighted. This just increases the respawn rate of the Arkonor and Bistot, both of which have a higher yield rate on Megacyte than Spodumain, further increasing the supply and pushing prices lower. The increased Bistot and Crocite will have the same effect of Zydrine and Nocxium.

The true problem is a fundamental flaw in the concept of industrial upgrades and human behavior. Before industrial upgrades ABC were less common, to the point that many nul-sec alliances would have serious infighting between corporations when it became obvious that certain individuals ware cherry picking the best ores and leaving the rest for those who can log in later in the day. Now alliances can assign each individual corp their own system and those cherries are available to anyone who can spend a few hours to despawn the site and spawn a new one, which is being done. Scarcity of high end minerals is what used to keep their value high, that scarcity no longer existes.

hint: you don't mine hisec ores in nullsec because you're literally better off mining that in hisec

Agreed and liked.

High end ores need nothing to ensure their value. If low end ores are more valuable then perhaps mining high end ores is simply a bad choice that you are making, like selling something on the market below its mineral value?

Here's a better solution, if Spodumain is not valuable...stop mining it!

Wardecs, gank them, bump them away...