Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It is singularly ironic that the ship CCP styles "dreadnought" in fact "dreads" pretty much anything out there that can shoot.

It dreads battlecruisers, it dreads cruisers. It dreads HACs. It has nightmares about battleships. It quavers in outright fear in the face of carriers, and it pisses it's pants in the face of supercarriers.

This makes me angry.

A dreadnought is supposed to fear nothing. it is supposed to be a weapon par excellence, capable of doing severe damage to a whole host of smaller and larger enemy targets. instead, it is the worst useless pile of crap CCP has yet devised. A dreadnought should be a weapon that strikes fear into the heart of cruiser, battlecruiser, and battleship captains, not the opposite, a joke that might as well have "shoot me I'm helpless, hopeless and lost!' spraypainted across the bows.

With the new dreadnaought nerf, we get a damage bonus but we lose the only weapon dreads still had that could effectively engage anything that actually was capable of moving. The drones. As well we lose any ability the dread might have once had to webify a moving target and manybe just maybe actually hit it. With the current complete inability of the dreadnought to actually hit anything at all the damage bonus is a joke, and I think CCP knows that.

No human navy in history would ever even consider a ship like the "dreadnought" CCP has crammed down our throats, because the cost versus capabiity gap is so great it is truly frightening. 1.4 billion isk roughly, for a medieval trebuchet. Now, I can suspend my disbelief enough to enjoy science fiction as much as the next geek, but thi is frigging ridiculous.

Trebuchets in the dark ages were a lot like the "Dread" CCP has devised. Slow, ponderous, requiring much time to deploy, able to strike unmoving targets but nothing else, completely unable to flee if attacked, completely unable to defend itself if attacked. Now why would a future culture develop a weapon like this? it's preposterous to the point of sick, and it makes me, again, angry.

I don't want a "feareverything" ship CCP. I want dreads to be a real weapon. I want them to have 8 high slots, 3 of which mount capital weapons which can track enough to bullseye a webbed battlecruiser. The rest of the slots should be for 100% damage boosted battleship size weapons race appropriate. The dread should not require a "siege mode" in order to fire. it should be able to fire it's weapons with future appropriate, (read: not trebuchet-like) capability, while moving along at an appropriate capital ship speed. The tank capabilties should be capital ship appropriate as well, and the ship should be able to field a nice large amount of drones.

You talk about helping with the profusion of super capital vessels and their "I win button" status but you are unwilling to give the general EVE populace a weapon that could accomplish just that, instead giving us a nerfed out "feareverything" ship in the role that naturally should fall to the class of ship tat should be fighting supercarriers. As long as you do things like this CCP, you will continue to bleed members as EVE's end game just becomes too much pain and hassle to even bother with. My people and I have been playing for 5 years and after living in every area of nullsec, grinding sovereignty, and fighting according to your useless rules for years, we have left 0.0 realizing it for what it is: a total waste of time. So where do we go from here, now back in empire? run incursions and L4's ad nauseum?

Get your poop in a group, CCP.

So, essentially, you want titans.

I am not saying they shouldn't have a support fleet. Sure. Great. Support fleet horray. It doesn't matter about support fleets. Any ship should be able to stand on it's own two feet.

I am (obviously) posting with an alt, I think that should be clear, even to a Goon. "I wasn't aware NPC corps were grinding sov now... waaa" get over yourself.

No I don't want Titans. Titans have a superweapon. Dreads should just rely on good old fashioned firepower. Titans also have a lot more EHP and like moms, can only be built by sovereignty holding entities, whereas dreads could be built by anyone with the reousrces and a lowsec system to build them in. Making them potentially the ultimate low and nullsec weapon. Do I want a weapon that basically anyone could use against a group like the Goons, or the Drone Russians, or AAA, or Evoke? Sure I do. And everyone who is interested in this game's posterity should want that as well. Unless you are happy with the status quo? Try and build a little group up and get hammered by the big boys with their momblob? Oh yeah that's a lot of fun. So where do you go from there? Join up with a mega-blob and wait until they stab ou in the back? Form up with massive CTAs led by screaming idiots who couln't FC their way out of a urine soaked paper bag? No thanks.

Drads should be a weapon unto themselves in lowsec and null. They should undock and hammer their enemies, and they should be versatile and capable. Currently they are "feareverythings" and this is what should change. Imagine if any loosely formed group of dread pilots could engage a major group's momblob and really hurt it. It sure would shake things up in the nullsec politics department wouldn't it? That is what this game needs.

if dreads would become what you want them to be, dont you think those evil blobbers would just throw a fleet of dreads of multiple size to yours?? they still have more duders than you, dreads would just become new fotm

I am (obviously) calling you out for altposting, I think that should be clear, even to a non-Goon. "I'm not posting on my main, I'm too chickenshit" get over yourself

i missed the part where goons were grinding sov in dreads now

The Reaper, a name that conjures up death and the harvesting of souls------- it's a rookie ship.

The Fenrir----that big Viking wolf that devours the suns and gods at the end of the world-----it's a freighter.

Merlin----the original badass wizard---it's a frig piloted by guys with anger-management issues in the Causality trailer.

Hulk----do I even have to say it?!?!?!?

Dreadnoughts have typically been heavy bombarding and armored battleships.
In alot of games they're just bigger battleships.

Typical Eve formula, look at it

A few frigs can take out a cruiser - cruiser is handicapped.
A few cruisers can take out a BS, BS is handicapped.
A few BS can take out a dread, Dread is handicapped.

The way out of this pattern is fitting smaller weapons to larger ships. That reduces total DPS, but increases survivability against swarms of smaller targets. The trouble for dreads in this regard is they are high slot gimped.

IMO they should keep their drones and get more high slots. The power grid and CPU requirements of capital weapons or the siege module could be such that, for a siege configuration, four high slots is the only thing that will work.

CCP could, we know the ability exists, have sub systems for dreads, even if just for the high slots. A siege subsystem or a support subsystem, one gives a dread the ability to fit a siege module and four high slots capable of capital weapons, or a support subsystem that can allow a dread to fit a full rack of eight BS sized weapons.

IMO, adding this sort of versatility to the dread would help the class.

In naval warfare, a 'dreadnaught' as a battleship that had nothing but big guns (14in. +), the first being the HMS Dreadnaught (the namesake of the entire class!)

In a far number of science fiction stories/games (except Eve), 'dreadnaughts' were monstrous vessels with disproportionate firepower, either being able to manhandle an entire fleet of much smaller ships or raping equal/larger prey. Sometimes, taking Cutscene Power to the Max, they are shown doing both at the same time (Homeworld 2 only helps that point, Progenitors <_<)

I do agree with the idea that dreads in Eve should be capable of doing the following:

take on 2-3 battleships or a carrier solo
take on other dreads in equal numbers
melt before moms and titans (unless they have sufficient numbers!)
try to flee masses of battlecruisers or smaller vessels (unless its 500+ intercepters. Also, emphasis on 'try')
of course, make structures in space disappear

Will this make people blob dreads? yes. Will this make stealth bombers and other high-dps sub-battleships useful? definitely. If one thinks about it, dreads will still have lots of ships they can't shoot at, but are now more useful.