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New Mining System!!! Catering to the Solo Miner? WTF!?
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Ikshuki
Awoken Disintegration Fleet
#1 - 2012-08-12 05:23:29 UTC
okay CCP has always done things for a reason when they change things but wtf? this new mining system is totally messed up, in my hulk i could have store 6 of Veldspar crystals, 6 of Scordite crystals, 6 of kernite crystals, and 6 of pyroxeres crystals, with this new system, i can't even get 4 of each. I can't even imagine trying to keep crystals in a 0.0 mining alliance right now, i know you don't need much of a cargo with the new ore bays, but at least let us store at least 2,000m3 worth of crystals for the null miners. On top of that why would you make cargo with T1 miners larger than T2 mining barges and encourage players to go solo mining rather than corp mining? Now i do like how you're making it too risky to bot mine with buffed belt rats with weak shielding and regen, but you are destroying the point of even getting a hulk if you're a new player, i had to work my ass off to get to a hulk, so should the new players, this could very well be the 1st phase of ccp's attempt to wowify eve, this is a fraction of what's to come i think, as CCP starts catering to the WoW players that are now flooding eve
Pipa Porto
#2 - 2012-08-12 05:29:07 UTC
First. White space. Learn to use it so we can read your posts.
Second. Capitalization. See 1.
Third. If you're in a Hulk, you should probably have hauler support. Those haulers can drop cans (secure or jet) full of crystals for your convenience. If you don't have hauler support, check out the Mackinaw.
Fourth. Did we really need another thread about miners whining about getting their ships buffed?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-08-12 05:49:09 UTC
I wonder how many threads will appear before CCP takes away the mining barge buff due to all the whining about how terrible the buff was.
I for one love the new barges, and will continue to profit from them, oh and btw I don't ever keep crystals in my hulk, I use an or a for them.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Ikshuki
Awoken Disintegration Fleet
#4 - 2012-08-12 05:53:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Ikshuki
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
I wonder how many threads will appear before CCP takes away the mining barge buff due to all the whining about how terrible the buff was.
I for one love the new barges, and will continue to profit from them, oh and btw I don't ever keep crystals in my hulk, I use an or a for them.

lol doesn't use crystals, enough said, i bet you would see my point if you saw how much you can make from T2 cystals and actually used them, don't talk down on things you don't even use enough to know about, T2 crystals has the mining speed of 2 T1 hulks not to mention if you're a 0.0 miner you need at least 4-6 of every null ore in your hulk cargo bay if you want to keep your 0.0 stations running, that's well over 24 crystals with 7 different ore types vs 4 ore types in high sec, what does ccp want us to do crawl over to jetcanned crystals 23-40km away to reload our lasers that may take 10-15 minutes to crawl over to?
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#5 - 2012-08-12 06:36:20 UTC
Ikshuki wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
I wonder how many threads will appear before CCP takes away the mining barge buff due to all the whining about how terrible the buff was.
I for one love the new barges, and will continue to profit from them, oh and btw I don't ever keep crystals in my hulk, I use an or a for them.

lol doesn't use crystals, enough said, i bet you would see my point if you saw how much you can make from T2 cystals and actually used them, don't talk down on things you don't even use enough to know about, T2 crystals has the mining speed of 2 T1 hulks not to mention if you're a 0.0 miner you need at least 4-6 of every null ore in your hulk cargo bay if you want to keep your 0.0 stations running, that's well over 24 crystals with 7 different ore types vs 4 ore types in high sec, what does ccp want us to do crawl over to jetcanned crystals 23-40km away to reload our lasers that may take 10-15 minutes to crawl over to?

Reading comprehension fail. He said he keeps his crystals in his Orca, so.... he does use them.
As for 'crawling over to them' why are they not being dropped right ontop of you at the same time they pick up your ore.....
Ikshuki
Awoken Disintegration Fleet
#6 - 2012-08-12 06:38:15 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
First. White space. Learn to use it so we can read your posts.
Second. Capitalization. See 1.
Third. If you're in a Hulk, you should probably have hauler support. Those haulers can drop cans (secure or jet) full of crystals for your convenience. If you don't have hauler support, check out the Mackinaw.
Fourth. Did we really need another thread about miners whining about getting their ships buffed?

what's wrong can't read for long periods of time? i know a good voice reader if reading strains your brain
Ikshuki
Awoken Disintegration Fleet
#7 - 2012-08-12 06:43:13 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Ikshuki wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
I wonder how many threads will appear before CCP takes away the mining barge buff due to all the whining about how terrible the buff was.
I for one love the new barges, and will continue to profit from them, oh and btw I don't ever keep crystals in my hulk, I use an or a for them.

lol doesn't use crystals, enough said, i bet you would see my point if you saw how much you can make from T2 cystals and actually used them, don't talk down on things you don't even use enough to know about, T2 crystals has the mining speed of 2 T1 hulks not to mention if you're a 0.0 miner you need at least 4-6 of every null ore in your hulk cargo bay if you want to keep your 0.0 stations running, that's well over 24 crystals with 7 different ore types vs 4 ore types in high sec, what does ccp want us to do crawl over to jetcanned crystals 23-40km away to reload our lasers that may take 10-15 minutes to crawl over to?

Reading comprehension fail. He said he keeps his crystals in his Orca, so.... he does use them.
As for 'crawling over to them' why are they not being dropped right ontop of you at the same time they pick up your ore.....

lol have you ever tried doing a 50 man mining op? assuming you do then you would know it's impossible for orcas to be in range of every miner, in 0.0 you have specialized miners that mines in all directions and meets at the center, it is impossible to provide crystals to everyone in the fleet without having to go to every member individually by then that miner might go half an hour without mining waiting for crystals to be brought to them
Pipa Porto
#8 - 2012-08-12 06:51:15 UTC
Ikshuki wrote:
lol have you ever tried doing a 50 man mining op? assuming you do then you would know it's impossible for orcas to be in range of every miner, in 0.0 you have specialized miners that mines in all directions and meets at the center, it is impossible to provide crystals to everyone in the fleet without having to go to every member individually by then that miner might go half an hour without mining waiting for crystals to be brought to them


In null, the best belt to cycle can be entirely mined without moving from 2 warpin spots. Anchor GSCs in those spots and fill them with crystals.

Tah Dah.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Pipa Porto
#9 - 2012-08-12 06:52:11 UTC
Ikshuki wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
First. White space. Learn to use it so we can read your posts.
Second. Capitalization. See 1.
Third. If you're in a Hulk, you should probably have hauler support. Those haulers can drop cans (secure or jet) full of crystals for your convenience. If you don't have hauler support, check out the Mackinaw.
Fourth. Did we really need another thread about miners whining about getting their ships buffed?

what's wrong can't read for long periods of time? i know a good voice reader if reading strains your brain


So you didn't get past the first line of my post. And you're trying to call me out for not wanting to read walls of text?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-08-12 07:50:32 UTC
Ikshuki wrote:

what's wrong can't read for long periods of time? i know a good voice reader if reading strains your brain


"Reading" your posts isn't reading. It's more like puzzle-solving.

Anyway, what's the old Eve proverb? Adapt or die.
Dave Stark
#11 - 2012-08-12 08:02:27 UTC
yeah crystals in a hulk suck, no idea what else you're whining about because you're post formatting is as bad as your average woman's car driving.
Sigras
Conglomo
#12 - 2012-08-12 08:13:48 UTC
Ikshuki wrote:
lol have you ever tried doing a 50 man mining op? assuming you do then you would know it's impossible for orcas to be in range of every miner, in 0.0 you have specialized miners that mines in all directions and meets at the center, it is impossible to provide crystals to everyone in the fleet without having to go to every member individually by then that miner might go half an hour without mining waiting for crystals to be brought to them

First of all, one set of crystals lasts on average 6 hours, and you can carry 5 sets of crystals in a hulk, no hauler for half an hour? no problem . . . but you already knew that right?

Second, now mining takes intelligence, you have to assign certain people to certain types of rocks so they can mine away without needing all of the different crystal types, if youre not creative enough to make the system work for you, dont ask the devs to punnish the people who are.

Lastly, Im sick of all the whine threads from people who seem to be too stupid to figure out how the system can work for them and would rather just whine about it on the forums.

Mining is now just like everything else in Eve, it punnishes the lazy and rewards those who take the time to figure the system out and how to make it best work for them.
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#13 - 2012-08-12 11:19:44 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Ikshuki wrote:
lol have you ever tried doing a 50 man mining op? assuming you do then you would know it's impossible for orcas to be in range of every miner, in 0.0 you have specialized miners that mines in all directions and meets at the center, it is impossible to provide crystals to everyone in the fleet without having to go to every member individually by then that miner might go half an hour without mining waiting for crystals to be brought to them


In null, the best belt to cycle can be entirely mined without moving from 2 warpin spots. Anchor GSCs in those spots and fill them with crystals.

Tah Dah.


I concur, the wall of text is appalling.

If you want to continue with your style of gameplay, OP, Acquire a Mackinaw or a Skiff and AFK mine without ever having to bot to your hearts desire.

On a Final note, Pipa has siggested some excellent idea's, you should learn to listen before saying anything, even thought this is your thread.
Rengerel en Distel
#14 - 2012-08-12 13:51:32 UTC
When eve players talk about how the eve player is smarter than other mmo players, those players can point at threads like this to disprove that point.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-08-12 14:53:54 UTC
Ikshuki wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
I wonder how many threads will appear before CCP takes away the mining barge buff due to all the whining about how terrible the buff was.
I for one love the new barges, and will continue to profit from them, oh and btw I don't ever keep crystals in my hulk, I use an or a for them.

lol doesn't use crystals, enough said, i bet you would see my point if you saw how much you can make from T2 cystals and actually used them, don't talk down on things you don't even use enough to know about, T2 crystals has the mining speed of 2 T1 hulks not to mention if you're a 0.0 miner you need at least 4-6 of every null ore in your hulk cargo bay if you want to keep your 0.0 stations running, that's well over 24 crystals with 7 different ore types vs 4 ore types in high sec, what does ccp want us to do crawl over to jetcanned crystals 23-40km away to reload our lasers that may take 10-15 minutes to crawl over to?


You're trying to say too much in 1 sentence. English doesn't work like that.

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CowNoseTheCat
I Love Kitties
#16 - 2012-08-12 15:27:35 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
When eve players talk about how the eve player is smarter than other mmo players, those players can point at threads like this to disprove that point.


Lol, so true... so true.
Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#17 - 2012-08-12 15:33:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Revolution Rising
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
I wonder how many threads will appear before CCP takes away the mining barge buff due to all the whining about how terrible the buff was.
I for one love the new barges, and will continue to profit from them, oh and btw I don't ever keep crystals in my hulk, I use an or a for them.


This would display the stupidity of the masses.

However, I do think the ships were buffed because of the same whining...

There are bigger fish to fry, wish they'd spent the time on something else tbh.

.
Jypsie
Wandering Star Enterprises
#18 - 2012-08-12 18:44:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Jypsie
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
When eve players talk about how the eve player is smarter than other mmo players, those players can point at threads like this to disprove that point.


When discussing averages, one has to keep in mind that half of the people will be stupider than the average.
Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-08-12 18:55:21 UTC
Ikshuki wrote:
okay CCP has always done things for a reason when they change things but wtf? this new mining system is totally messed up, in my hulk i could have store 6 of Veldspar crystals, 6 of Scordite crystals, 6 of kernite crystals, and 6 of pyroxeres crystals, with this new system, i can't even get 4 of each. I can't even imagine trying to keep crystals in a 0.0 mining alliance right now, i know you don't need much of a cargo with the new ore bays, but at least let us store at least 2,000m3 worth of crystals for the null miners. On top of that why would you make cargo with T1 miners larger than T2 mining barges and encourage players to go solo mining rather than corp mining? Now i do like how you're making it too risky to bot mine with buffed belt rats with weak shielding and regen, but you are destroying the point of even getting a hulk if you're a new player, i had to work my ass off to get to a hulk, so should the new players, this could very well be the 1st phase of ccp's attempt to wowify eve, this is a fraction of what's to come i think, as CCP starts catering to the WoW players that are now flooding eve


Actually, it was a pretty great change to barges/exhumers. Hulk is meant to have support as it is a fleet mining ship. Store crystals in the Orca that should be out there with you. If you're solo mining in a ship that is made for fleet ops you have nothing valid to complain about.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-08-12 22:19:56 UTC
Might just be me, but i use a Survey Scanner II on my orca tto try to get within 20k of all asteroids in the belt, then i set my hulks to keep the Orca at 2250m. This worked for the 30 man fleets the alliance i was in, it required 3 orcas, one booster/storage one overflow/hauler and one dedicated hauler. All hulks got crystals, no jet canning, no problems.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
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