Ships & Modules

High:
Auto target II X2
Tach Beam Laser t2 X4

Medium
Tracking computer t2 X2
Em hardener T2
Therm hardener T2
Dread Gurista Shield Boost Amp
Gist C-type X-Large shield booster
Heavy Cap Booster T2

Low:
Heat Sink T2 X4
Tracking Enhancer T2

Rigs:
Large Cap Control Unit I X3

911 dps with imp navy Multis with 43 optimal which can be changed with the scripts in the tracking computer.I dont think is horrible I am pretty sure the guns are cap stable. I am not looking for a expensive as i do not want to be a huge gank target and with this fit i dont believe i really am but i will say i am going to improve it eventually use a afterburner maybe.

This does around 300 more dps than my CNR but that is due to the fact im not willing to use the A-type medium shield booster that costs way to much.

What do you guys think for a starting nightmare?

this. even with faction guns (which use a lot less cap than T2), CCCs are hardly better than EDEs, especially not the T2 ones. also, the tank seems a little on the weak side to me but you might get by. if not, throw in another EM hardener.

The second autotargeter isn't doing anything for you. If you need the fitting space just drop it and leave a slot empty. Otherwise find something else (tractor beam, faction nos, something).

Disclaimer: I haven't flown this, I modified my existing rainy day EFT warrior nightmare setup to match yours closer as a suggested change.

[Nightmare, Flar]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Tracking Enhancer II

Thermic Dissipation Field II
EM Ward Field II
Gist C-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier

Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Drone Link Augmentor I
Auto Targeting System II

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Large Energy Discharge Elutriation II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5


Drop the tracking enhancer for a DCU2 or a tracking enchancer for an invulnerability field for more tank. The numbers are fairly close for what you gain and lose and I advise you to look at them yourself to figure out what you prefer if you do want more tank. The EM rig brings EM resistance slightly above thermal instead of trailing significantly. The difference in EM resistance between the T1 and T2 rig is 2%. If you use a T1 EM rig you can switch the CCC for the T2 version but the latter is fairly expensive. I'll add my fandom of drone link augmentors to Daniel Plain's - you don't always get to use the extra range but when you do you're quite grateful for it, plus the Nightmare has generous CPU so you might as well throw one on.

This fit works on just skills but if you want to throw in an AB later on you might have to use a pg hardwiring to make it work. My EFT says a 4% hardwiring is needed with all skills at V if you use T2 AB. Using a lower pg AB (Fed Navy f.e.) lowers it to 3% and using a faction Cap Booster (Imperial Navy f.e.) lowers it further to 2%.

This setup is not cap stable with guns but has a fairly okay time to deplete (>10min). With the dps this puts out I imagine you'll be fine. If you ever have to run the shield booster much you'll likely need to use a few cap boosters anyway, so. Turn off all modules while slowboating to next gate, go afk and make coffee and you'll be all ready to laser by the time you get there.

Without knowing anything about your character I'd hazard you're missing something like Advanced Weapons Upgrades IV or V and/or a few levels in Energy Weapons Rigging (this is probably what you're missing if you have the general PG skills (including AWU) at V as it reduces the drawback of the EDE which is increased power requirement for the guns). Modifying the all skills at V preset in EFT down to AWU IV and Energy Weapons Rigging IV shows a +3% PG implant is required to make the fit I posted work.

You could also look into the suggestion I made earlier for getting an AB to fit about using a faction or T1 Heavy Cap Booster - the advantage of either being a lower pg requirement. Both faction and T1 versions have lower capacity (as in, space for loaded cap boosters) which works out to 4 loaded Cap Booster 800s compared to 5 for the T2 Heavy Cap Booster. T1 has the same cycle time as T2 and faction have slightly faster cycle time but if my price info is correct the faction ones aren't too expensive (not in game at the moment, can't check). Depending on your skills it will probably not save you from using a PG hardwiring but it should allow you to use a cheaper one. If you intend to get an AB later you might wish to get both a better PG hardwiring straight away and use a lower PG cap booster - you'll have to determine that for yourself.

If for simplicity's sake we say that the resistance numbers for shield are equal between DCU2 and a invulnerability field you're left looking at losing the extra tracking a tracking enhancer gives over a tracking computer (since the numbers for optimal and falloff are the same assuming you're running optimal scripts on the tracking computers) for the lower cap use and extra resistances a DCU gives compared to the invulnerability field. Looking at it that way I'd personally go with a DCU2 considering that the Nightmare already has very generous increases to tracking from the Amarr Battleship Skill Bonus - and you can still carry a spare tracking script or two that you can switch in on the fly if you ever find that you absolutely need more tracking.

Edit: I might or might not have armor tanked with only a DCU2 to help me on my current mission ship (shield tanked SNI) because it was less hassle and time to offline all weapons and fit four cheap large armor reppers at mission station and repair the damage (goes obscenely fast) after mission was cleared than warp out before I hit armor and wait for cap/shield regen. Cough. :)

You could try dual x large asb fit buddy - it certainly tanks better than gist xlsb and for less money (not that anything over t2 xlsb and hardeners is necessary for l4s if you have good skills and single xlasb would prolly be enough for 95% of missions).

Also auto targeting system is very good choice for utility high and tractor beam is worth it too.

This guy has a very good point actually. A dual XLASB fit is much tighter on CPU because they require 200 CPU each though but there's a whole myriad ways you can solve that.



Requires everything related to CPU maxed (though since there's no rigs increasing CPU I can't see that this means anything else than Electronics V and vanilla Weapon Upgrades V) and a +1% CPU hardwiring even with the empty high slot but is probably one of the cheapest possible ways to fit a Nightmare well. You can use a Shield Boost Amplifier instead of the SeBo but you'll need a better hardwiring for that - +5% for highest meta T1 and the low CPU faction ones or a 6% for T2 / higher CPU faction ones.



Faction upgrades where they do the most good (heat sinks) and hardwiring needed is down to a +3% CPU one and you have the T2 Shield Boost Amplifier back.

You can also drop the SBA in the second fit for a T2 SeBo and you won't need a hardwiring at all (and you have enough spare CPU to fit a regular tractor beam if you get any use out of those). If you do that and add back a Drone Link Augmenter (instead of a tractor beam) in the high you'll need a +3% CPU hardwiring again - unless you get lower CPU faction hardeners (Cal Navy / Dread Guristas). Might not be worth the price unless you badly want something else in hardwiring slot 6 since the lower CPU faction ones have the same resistances as T2.

You can also drop the shield boost amplifier in the second fit for an AB but that requires Energy Weapons Rigging at V if you wish to keep both EDEIIs - yes you can drop one for a CCC and get away with lower rigging skill but the difference in time to deplete cap is significant (EFT says -5 min for a CCCII and -7min for regular CCC). The only way I can see to make it work with Energy Weapons Rigging IV is to use faction shield hardeners, leave an empty high slot to meet CPU reqs without a hardwiring and use a +3% PG hardwiring instead but again that's a fairly high price to pay for fitting.

In both of these cases (using faction hardeners to make fits work) the only previously unmentioned benefit is that they use very slightly less cap than T2 that makes for a few minutes difference in time to deplete (~20min vs ~18min using T2s).

If you drop one XLASB you can fit basically whatever you want and you should have no CPU issues (or PG if you get an AB). Regardless of what you choose to do with a (dual or not) XLASB fit it'll likely end up being at least half a billion cheaper than any fit using a Gist C-Type XL booster.

@Chainsaw Plankton: The problem is that non-Gist shield boosters are several orders of magnitude behind them in efficiency. The Gist C-type base stats are +525 shield hp for 179 cap. That's nearly 3 hp per point of cap. T2 and all faction shield boosters are 1.5 hp per cap (+600 hp for 400 cap) - the faction ones just have faster cycle times. The Pith series shield boosters have same cap use as T2/faction and bigger boost amount but not nearly enough to rival the Gist series in efficiency - the Pith X-type at 840 shield hp for 400 cap comes closest at 2.1 shield hp per point of cap.

To put it into perspective a Gist C-Type is like a T2 with five shield boost amplifiers on it with no stacking penalties.

Needs faction heat sinks before faction tank. I'd go as far as saying they add the same tank value.

Bolded the part that demands comment: there are rigs that increase CPU. They're new, but the exist. Processor Overclocking Unit. 7.1% for T1 and 9.6% for T2.