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How would you define a "carebear"?
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Xinivrae
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2012-08-12 11:01:41 UTC
Abel Merkabah wrote:
When I played wow (I know I am ashamed), carebear servers were the non-pvp servers. Basically if non-consensual pvp was not allowed on a server, it was carebear. So I've always taken that with me, carebears are the players that do not like non-consensual pvp. Players that accept it as part of the game, even if they do not participate in direct pvp combat do not qualify as a carebear by that definition.


Fellow WoW alumnus (not ashamed of the fun I had), even on the pvp server, if you weren't farming battlefields or doing the arena, you were a carebear. in my opinion, it really all comes down to:

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
In every MMO there are bigots who feel an urge to tell others how to play (and usually happens to be in a way that provides them fun by ruining everyone else's), and also are players who dare to play as they see fit.


It's just some weird human drive to need to feel superior to others, so they just lump people who aren't them and don't follow their way of thinking (which is of course the best, correct and only way) into a broad category, and have nothing but contempt for them.

Perhaps I'm being too forgiving here, there are certainly people worthy of that contempt, but you get the idea.
Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2012-08-12 11:04:16 UTC
Xinivrae wrote:
It's just some weird human drive to need to feel superior to others,



Guess this must be missing from my DNA sequence.
Xinivrae
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2012-08-12 11:06:45 UTC
Sabrina Solette wrote:
Xinivrae wrote:
It's just some weird human drive to need to feel superior to others,



Guess this must be missing from my DNA sequence.


It's not universal, but it's certainly common, and all too often on display thanks to the anonymity of the internet.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#44 - 2012-08-12 11:07:18 UTC
Sabrina Solette wrote:
Guess this must be missing from my DNA sequence.


One mallows with age. Blink

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#45 - 2012-08-12 11:10:32 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
People who are afraid of loss in EVE. Generally they are highly risk-averse as a result, and stick to safe places (the inside of stations, highsec, etc).


What does that say about a ganker who refuses to gank my exhumer or Orca if there's "Ignore my ship, just killing belt rats here" Tornado nearby?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#46 - 2012-08-12 11:12:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
People who are afraid of loss in EVE. Generally they are highly risk-averse as a result, and stick to safe places (the inside of stations, highsec, etc).


What does that say about a ganker who refuses to gank my exhumer or Orca if there's "Ignore my ship, just killing belt rats here" Tornado nearby?


there's a difference between risk aversion and refusing to do something dumb

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#47 - 2012-08-12 11:15:24 UTC
Andski wrote:
there's a difference between risk aversion and refusing to do something dumb


Why it's dumb to shoot defenseless ships?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#48 - 2012-08-12 11:17:46 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Andski wrote:
there's a difference between risk aversion and refusing to do something dumb


Why it's dumb to shoot defenseless ships?


if the "defenseless" ship has a friend in a tornado nearby it's not "defenseless"

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#49 - 2012-08-12 11:18:57 UTC
Andski wrote:
if the "defenseless" ship has a friend in a tornado nearby it's not "defenseless"


Learn to tank your ship then.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#50 - 2012-08-12 11:23:40 UTC
Sabrina Solette wrote:
Syler Puuntai wrote:
People who try to avoid risk at any cost.



You mean like suicide pilots in high-sec for instance.


That's a good instance of bigots calling others what they do.

But then we all know what would happen to "l33t" PvP and nullsec if CCP implemented arenas or a further twist of it, instanced "simulation" PvP in stations (with a minimal entry fee and no gains worth that name at all, but all the PvP excitement).

At the end of the day, everyone's a minmaxer, and the real driving forces of games are fun first, and reward second.

EVE relies in seriously preventing players to have too much fun too easy, otherwise it all would collapse as a house of cards... and the first to desert would be PvPrs, whereas we miners and mission runners and the other "carebear" scum would keep playing exactly the same until the economy went to hell.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#51 - 2012-08-12 11:26:13 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Andski wrote:
if the "defenseless" ship has a friend in a tornado nearby it's not "defenseless"


Learn to tank your ship then.


hint: if miners tend to have help nearby, you alpha the miners

getting shot at by their friends at that point makes no difference

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Josef Djugashvilis
#52 - 2012-08-12 11:28:02 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Sabrina Solette wrote:
Guess this must be missing from my DNA sequence.


One mallows with age. Blink


I find that I have mellowedSmile

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#53 - 2012-08-12 11:29:55 UTC
Andski wrote:
hint: if miners tend to have help nearby, you alpha the miners

getting shot at by their friends at that point makes no difference


Or could it be the fact that you don't have skills to tank Tornado for 20s in destroyer?
Pilna Vcelka
Doomheim
#54 - 2012-08-12 11:32:05 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:


EVE relies in seriously preventing players to have too much fun too easy, otherwise it all would collapse as a house of cards...


Or, you know, it could have tens of millions of active subscribers like WoW does. But then the hardcore nerds would become insignificant nolifers again and that would hurt their sad child souls badly :D
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#55 - 2012-08-12 11:32:53 UTC
Xinivrae wrote:
Sabrina Solette wrote:
Xinivrae wrote:
It's just some weird human drive to need to feel superior to others,



Guess this must be missing from my DNA sequence.


It's not universal, but it's certainly common, and all too often on display thanks to the anonymity of the internet.


Most men are like that at a certain age, and most of them grow old and mature enough to overcome that urge, usually after meeting face to face with RL.

But then, EVE players are people who instead of spend hours doing RL stuff, spend hours doing EVE stuff, so they're not like your average population set, but more like hobbyists.

And every hobbyist feels an urge to show off and feel rewarded for his subjectively valued activity.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#56 - 2012-08-12 11:34:16 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Or could it be the fact that you don't have skills to tank Tornado for 20s in destroyer?


okay buddy feel free to show us how easy it is to tank a tornado which two-shots a destroyer at falloff with autocannons

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#57 - 2012-08-12 11:40:02 UTC
come in to see the next never ending carebear discussionthread

didn,t left disappointed

R.S.I2014
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#58 - 2012-08-12 11:41:55 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
I find that I have mellowedSmile


^^ Best indication you didn't ^^

Just kidding. Blink

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Xinivrae
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2012-08-12 11:44:15 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Most men are like that at a certain age, and most of them grow old and mature enough to overcome that urge, usually after meeting face to face with RL.

But then, EVE players are people who instead of spend hours doing RL stuff, spend hours doing EVE stuff, so they're not like your average population set, but more like hobbyists.

And every hobbyist feels an urge to show off and feel rewarded for his subjectively valued activity.


Not that I disagree with most of what you said, but it's certainly not exclusive to men. Have you ever been to a designer purse/jewelry party?
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#60 - 2012-08-12 11:45:17 UTC
Andski wrote:
okay buddy feel free to show us how easy it is to tank a tornado which two-shots a destroyer at falloff with autocannons


Only safe place is on station. Just don't undock if you don't want to lose your ships.