EVE General Discussion

No, that's not what the aim was. The aim was to restore value to nullsec mining in proportion to the riskiness of the endeavour. You folks have made nullsec safer than hisec, you have mastered mineral compression, you have mastered shortest time-to-market with your production, you worked up your industrial indexes and IHUB upgrades to get high end ores dumped in your lap in quantities so great that your miners complain about how much ore there is to mine, so your ore is worth less than hisec ore.

As James 315 has so kindly pointed out to us, nullsec is safe because nullbears have made it that way. NAPs, NIPs, OTEC, blue-to-everyone-and-their-dog: this is the operational definition of "making safe". Thus the elimination of drone poo has been hugely successful, simply because the value of mining as a profession is determined by miners, not ratters in the drone regions. And the value has been determined to be in correlation to the risk.

Now contrast this to hisec. The indefinite extension of the Goonswarm exhumer bounty has made hisec less safe than null sec, meaning Scordite can't be mined in the quantities needed, meaning there is a bottleneck in production due to low-end mineral supply. Suicide gankers make hisec mining more valuable, because they make hisec mining more dangerous.

Thus Goonswarm is directly responsible for the imbalance in ore values, and directly responsible for the plummeting value of nullsec mining, and your attempt to deflect blame to CCP is just a symptom of the state of denial in which you are living.

As for VV's suggestion about reducing the abundance of ABC: perhaps industrial upgrades to spawn more belts should draw their belts from a common pool, similar to the way anomalies and sites are spawned in w-space.

Yes, some sparse kill below the daily ships blown in any ice mining system in hi sec is clearly going to make ABC roids lucrative fast.

Basically this and other threads are completely silly and are a classic example of blaming the victim.

First you farm hi sec miners (see the trillionaire total losses on the GS killboards) till they slow down and prices rise, then blame the same because the few ones left earn much more than their 0.0 counterparts.

It's highly hypocrite, plus wasn't it the plan? Kill enough miners, kill afkers and botters so to make the profession worthwhile again for those who adapt, learn to tank and learn to not AFK.

Now it's the time for the learned and survived ones to get the rewards for their adaption efforts and *surprise* people find excuses to want to nerf them or buff those who went the easy way to safe blueball sov 0.0 regions.

Changing rocks in ____-sec won't fix ____-sec.

Rock related ideas and changes are rather boring too.

You gotta love how nullbears always have their mouths full of risk/reward and sandbox, but only as long as it fits into their "nullsec is the 1337est" view of the game

They want to have everything - carebear tears, uber profit and in-game superiority just because they moved to a 0 security system. They think 0.0 should be "the best place" by game design failing to understand that each part of space is what players make it.

They mastered the 0.0 brofest so well that they made their own space too safe, yields too low and game too boring and now they come to the forums whining like little babies and pointing fingers at high-sec residents (who in fact dont give a **** about stinky 0.0 and its brofests), demanding EVE changes so that their "uberleet blob space" is the way to go. LOL!

…which doesn't disprove his point.

Rarely doesn't mean never. It happens, but discoing a fleet like that requires that you a) find a pile of exhumers clustered around something and b) have disco BS on hand to take them out.

But if both are true, it's oh so worth it.

Null sec is not the End game, there is no end game. Yes you can claim Sov but it's not the hardest combat that's Wormholes, excluding blob warfare.
Its not the most vibrant market thats Hi-sec, it cant even claim to be the most deserted space that's wormholes.

It's claim to fame is because that's what the Null sec players dribble on about.

OP your software is wrong.
The calculations are flawed.

Yeah man, everyone in nullsec is blue to everyone else. That's why we just destroyed delve, why that bloc level conflict is continuing between Test/PL and AAA, why we're back up north duking it out with NCDot. All blue, yep.

Or perhaps it's the rambling of shirtlords like you who don't know what the **** they're talking about.

If mining in nullsec is safer than highsec it's because the majority of it is done by multiboxing sperglords in grav anomalies who are smart enough to do minor things like watch local and leave their grav site when hostiles enter local, escaping safely LONG before even the best scanners are able to establish a fix on their location.

Regardless, you can no longer really consider highsec to be "more dangerous" than nullsec anymore, seeing as CCP gave the highseccers the tools to protect themselves in the form of higher Hulk EHP or other barge options with still higher EHP. Even if that weren't the case, though, what the blog said was "making mining in nullsec a dangerous but valuable profession once more." So perhaps if the true issue is that mining in highsec is "too safe", perhaps that's what CCP should focus on.