EVE General Discussion

this.

that was only really valid for the covetor, to be honest. the ret was worth using as a stepping stone but nothing more. the procurer was an absolute failure of a ship, and still is for mining to be honest but at least now it makes amazing cyno bait.

i'd rather see a third low on the skiff/proc, if they remove one from the mack/ret i'll have no excuse for not tanking my mack since i'll have the cpu to do so since i don't have a third upgrade plugged in.

in short, if they remove a low slot from the mack it'll just boost my tank which makes the skiff even less appealing.

i think the skiff needs a third low so we can make it equal to the mack's yield and then it's a pure choice between cargo vs tank rather than cargo and yield vs tank.

This...!!!

A character i had back in 07 actually flew a procurer , what a piece of junk that was . my destroyer i had before that could out mine it, cap was so small it couldnt warp any place without stoping several times. the ret was way better a ship than that procurer.


Now i have a procurer and love it. Lots of cap to fly and mine with , pretty nice tank even with crappy skills , and mines a lot faster than my frigate :-)

Hulk and Covetor still have better applied mining yield, having more control on how much they're stripping rocks via three strip miners. In the case of mining rocks anyway.

Retriever and Mackinaw... w/e. Probably would fall asleep at the wheel and get ganked + podded. Or embarrassingly popped by high-sec belt rats.

Skiff is waaaay more awesome than the Procurer.

Whatever your niche is though, now you have options. Fit to your niche and enjoy the crazy increased accessibility of mining.

And... gankers enjoy the increased number of prey :P

1) "You," not "u."

2) Barge changes are fine, and long past due. It's not CCP's fault that you lack the basic initiative to evaluate a choice based on multiple options, each optimised for a specific role.

3) @CCP: Please remember this the next time you think about giving carebears any kind of buff, let alone one this big...(Christ, does this whining ever end with these bleating little hisec sheep?)

2/10.

Next!

I actually ran into another issue with the ore holds replacing the cargo holds on the barges.

I mine for my industry, and my mining pilots are based in Gallente space. To get Nocx I fly the three of them (2 Hulks and an Orca) a few jumps to Amarr space and mine a few loads of Pyrox. I then refine it locally and haul it back.

Now before if I mined alot the minerals would not all fit in the Orca. So Id just dump the excess in the Hulks. No longer! If I got a large load of minerals from an "away" mining op, I cannot use my barges to haul them. From now on I think Ill make sure to place a hauler in the Orca.

This is worse for the solo miner. He goes off many jumps away to get the desired ore type in the supposed premiere solo miner, a Mack, and finds when he want to return he cannot move his minerals. A second round trip in a different ship is needed.

CCP: I propose a fix: Allow minerals and ice products in the ore hold. Call it the mining hold or something to distinguish its function from the standard hold.

CCP: Thinking a bit more broadly, ships are becoming too "pidgin holed", only able to do one thing. We need more Swiss Army Knife ship options. Let us figure out how to use them.

Oh, look. Another player who pollutes threads with personal rants that offer absolutely no input to the desired topic.

As for Vincent's comment about hauling minerals, I completely agree. The "ore hold" should be perfectly capable of holding the raw minerals, too. Then again, the EVE universe does seem to lack logic in many areas, so I'm not holding my breath for that "fix".