Warfare & Tactics

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I don't mind them leaving at all. Its that they decided to flip a bunch of systems before we hit tier 5. I asked them to just let us finish the job they could stay in fw and cash out after we hit tier 5. Their response was "adapt or die."

Amarr militia was doing fine before they came. They boosted the speed that we were winning systems but we would have been much better off if they joined minmatar instead. They wouldn't skrew up our strategy of waiting to flip unitl tier 5 and just think of the lp we would have gotten from all those kills.

>doing find before they came

>held 3 systems before they announced they were joining

If you really want to f*ck failli secunda's plans to cash out just don't help them with the lp dump. maybe they'll hit t2 and call it good?

It's a good strategy, but the ability to kill a bunker with militia alts meant that there was a time limit on its effectiveness in the Amarr/Minmatar warzone, which still isn't the Cal/Gal warzone. If Minmatar'd been able to make T5 cash-outs this entire time, eventually they'd stop buying supercaps "for no reason, that's how rich I am" and just buy alts or PLEX multiple additional accounts to the point where they could've popped our bubble of vulnerable systems whenever they wanted. Amarr never would've seen T5 - but a popped bubble at T3 might've made the warzone somewhat healthy again. 'Somewhat healthy again' is as high as my expectations went. And stopping your enemy from making sixteen times what you make is a goal worth achieving in itself, with beneficial long-term consequences in itself.

While I understand this must be annoying for you, I think the rate that nulli helped cap plexes (and the morale boost it brought to many amarr corps getting them to cap plexes) was critical. Before you were building systems to vulnerable at a steady rate but you wouldn't have hit T5 before we had enough DPS alts trained to flip systems.

Bear in mind before Nulli announced there were many corps with amarr that just seemed to not be undocking any more, with morale like that my preemptive medal post didn't seem so far off in reality.

Also we don't want them! We have enough farmers in Minmatar as it is and we needed something to show how broken the current mechanics are, I think Nulli did that beautifully and we can expect more dev attention. Minmalts may have been farming FW into the ground but we never held any systems vulnerable, just a shame the caldari front had ample farming opportunity for them.

The people who were most excited about a nullbear alliance coming to amarr was qcats. loading jump freighters full of small ships just for them.

Really amarr militia was stong well before nulli even came. Lots of systems vulnerable and many more greatly contested. The change in strategy was working that is when we got the moral boost. When nulli came there were just as many amarr worried they would screw things up as happy. Those worried Nulli would screw things up proved to be the correct ones.



By flipping your own systems you would lock out yourselves from tier five as well. Maybe that was your plan, I don't know. I mean nulli leadership demonstrated poor decision making maybe yours did too. The best way to make it so faction war players to finally get some isk/war materials to compete with some of the null sec alliances is to keep flipping back and forth to tier 5. But yes being petty will come into play and does in the gallente caldari front.

Speaking of petty, one of the bunkers i upgraded i had to manouver my falcon between 6-7 frigs orbiting the bunker to get close enough to upgrade it while cloaked. They REALLY didnt want us to get any isk lol. One frig came within 2.5km, probably the highlight of my day getting away with that.

Winning strategy is such a misnomer. The fact that you make more progress by totally ignoring warzone control is silly. While it does provide a sort of balancing mechanism under the current system, I think it its more indicative of a broken system than a good mechanic. Actively caring and contesting the warzone, no matter the current situation should always provide more benefit and reward than simply abusing the system.

Under the current mechanics the Amarr are faced with two possible outcomes depending on strategy.

Losing strategy: Actively contest the warzone refusing to use alts that negatively impact your own militia in any way, while being totally poor and frustrated as you bang your head against the wall and give your opponent more and more ISK as they reflip systems, while your LP remains mostly worthless.

Winning strategy: Literally stop caring about contesting the warzone and watch the vulnerable systems pile up while you lose most of your warzone allowing the Minmatar militia to hit Tier 5 weekly. Then, use Minny farming alt to get endless supply of SFIs and/or billions of ISK while you PVP to your hearts content.

Also, I totally disagree with your statement that being able to push into Tier 3 and stopping your opponent from making 16 times the ISK you are is a worthy objective under the current mechanics. It would be a healthier warzone, yes, but it doesn't make much sense as a militia-wide goal. Even if the Minmatar flipped the entire warzone on alts when we had 19 systems vulnerable, I doubt that our militia would have attempted to hold onto those systems since there would really be no point. None of the staging systems would have changed so defense would be no easier than it was the first 6 weeks of post-Inferno and all of the map balance issues of making any sort of push would still be there, which I have a feeling play a much bigger issue than people have had a chance to see at this point. Also, why would we want to put in significant amounts of effort to hold onto the ability to cash out at Amarr Tier 3, when we can simply put zero effort in and get way more rich at Minmatar Tier 5.

I don't care if you're a super-duper Amarr roleplayer or not, at this point you have no excuse to be in the Amarr militia and complain about being poor.

Chew on this for a second. If immediately after Inferno came out the Amarr had given up on warzone control and just let systems get up to vulnerable while farming on Minmatar alts from day 1, we would arguably be in a MUCH stronger position than we are now. All that plexing effort wasted on flipping and losing systems for no profit could have been going towards making us rich and at the very least we would have made just as much as our Minmatar counterparts. I find it really ironic that the entire time we were saying under the current mechanics there was nothing we could do to effectively fight back, the most effective way for us to fight back was to actually do nothing.

Nope nothing going on at all.

I'm thinking about making a cheese and pickle sandwich tho