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Amarr T4 Happening tomorrow, sunday 12th
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Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#21 - 2012-08-12 00:15:49 UTC
We'll be doing our best to make sure they are only able to hit T3 tomorrow. Bear

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.
Dan Carter Murray
#22 - 2012-08-12 00:19:36 UTC
Vordak Kallager wrote:
We'll be doing our best to make sure they are only able to hit T3 tomorrow. Bear


make sure to butcher them on their way out as well. dumb@ss nullbears need to just abandon nullsec and book it to highsec where they can go mine in peace and no one can see how terrible they are.

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Milton Middleson
Rifterlings
#23 - 2012-08-12 00:19:43 UTC
Karah Serrigan wrote:
Deen Wispa wrote:
People make it sound like t4 is chump change. It is not. I'm happy if my militia hits t3. If we hit t4, then I'm grateful and consider it icing on the cake.


+5 imps at t4: 32500lp 32,5m isk. Profit=~68m ISK/LP=2.1k
+5 imps at t5: 16250lp 16,25m isk. Profit=~ 84m ISK/LP=5,1k
You see, t4 isnt bad, but t5 is more than twice as good :)


Those isk/LP ratios are the results of lazy cash-in and weak spreadsheet-fu. If you diversify your purchases and don't just mash ONI/Slicer BPC a few dozen times, you can probably double that without much difficulty.

I'm happy to laugh at Nulli for being bad and expecting to hit T5 in a month, and I really doubt the Amarr can maintain the system numbers needed for t4, but make no mistake: intelligent Amarr pilots are going to wind up Scrooge McDuck-rich. There will be swimming pools full of datacores.
Karah Serrigan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2012-08-12 00:27:47 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:

Im pretty sure that i stand to make well 6/7 times the isk/hour on gallente tier 4 than anyone does doing high sec lvl 4's.

Even if i were to sell up right now

200k lp per 2.5 hours, so every 7.5 hours = 600k @ 75k per dominix thats 8 dni.

8 dni - cost of basic hulls and chips = (400m x 8 = 3.2bn) - (90 x 8 = 720m) = 2.48bn

2.48bn / 7.5 hours = 330m isk per hour.

As for the whole 'its not about isk' thing. Ive spent close to 20bn isk over the last few weeks on PVP assets. If you dont have the isk, you can buy the ships.

On a side note, isk for gallente at tier 4 > amarr at tier 4 by quite some way :p

200k lp per 2.5 hours is under the circumstance that you have full set of systems with majors to cycle through with no one to stop you. If caldari systems are really that quiet, then gratz, nice to have i guess.
330m isk per hour is really good, yes, but you can get that through highsec missioning too. However it takes effort, you need to know what to do and you need a machariel, which is not a stabbed 5m merlin. So yes, FW is better than missioning for the broad mass and i admit it, but the isk is nothing special. I can rival that with what i do. I, however, cannot rival t5 isk :P
What exactly do you mean by gallente tier 4> amarr t4? 90% of the items are exactly the same, except for the faction ships and damage mods, which btw are bad because you need tags and the amount of tags you need isnt affected by tiers.

Milton Middleson wrote:
Karah Serrigan wrote:
Deen Wispa wrote:
People make it sound like t4 is chump change. It is not. I'm happy if my militia hits t3. If we hit t4, then I'm grateful and consider it icing on the cake.


+5 imps at t4: 32500lp 32,5m isk. Profit=~68m ISK/LP=2.1k
+5 imps at t5: 16250lp 16,25m isk. Profit=~ 84m ISK/LP=5,1k
You see, t4 isnt bad, but t5 is more than twice as good :)


Those isk/LP ratios are the results of lazy cash-in and weak spreadsheet-fu. If you diversify your purchases and don't just mash ONI/Slicer BPC a few dozen times, you can probably double that without much difficulty.

I'm happy to laugh at Nulli for being bad and expecting to hit T5 in a month, and I really doubt the Amarr can maintain the system numbers needed for t4, but make no mistake: intelligent Amarr pilots are going to wind up Scrooge McDuck-rich. There will be swimming pools full of datacores.

Yes, there are better items, but you cannot hope to sell them via sellorders. You will have to hope that when your items arrive in jita, no one has crashed the buy orders yet or you end up with almost worthless items. If you want to be safe, bet on broadly traded items, which happen to be only implants and faction ships, with implants being the better ones.
Karah Serrigan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2012-08-12 00:29:23 UTC
Vordak Kallager wrote:
We'll be doing our best to make sure they are only able to hit T3 tomorrow. Bear

My above post had too many quotes so i have to do another post for this but:
daddy please no. I have lp that i want to cash out >_>
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#26 - 2012-08-12 00:41:24 UTC
Karah Serrigan wrote:

200k lp per 2.5 hours is under the circumstance that you have full set of systems with majors to cycle through with no one to stop you. If caldari systems are really that quiet, then gratz, nice to have i guess.
330m isk per hour is really good, yes, but you can get that through highsec missioning too. However it takes effort, you need to know what to do and you need a machariel, which is not a stabbed 5m merlin. So yes, FW is better than missioning for the broad mass and i admit it, but the isk is nothing special. I can rival that with what i do. I, however, cannot rival t5 isk :P
What exactly do you mean by gallente tier 4> amarr t4? 90% of the items are exactly the same, except for the faction ships and damage mods, which btw are bad because you need tags and the amount of tags you need isnt affected by tiers.


Need tags for ships? And the amarr bs are sub 300m while the gallente ships are 400-500m, is what i meant. I dispute that you can run lvl 4's at anywhere close to 330m per hour in any ship. Other than perhaps a once per quarter epic arc for some factions.
Karah Serrigan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2012-08-12 00:55:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Karah Serrigan
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Karah Serrigan wrote:

200k lp per 2.5 hours is under the circumstance that you have full set of systems with majors to cycle through with no one to stop you. If caldari systems are really that quiet, then gratz, nice to have i guess.
330m isk per hour is really good, yes, but you can get that through highsec missioning too. However it takes effort, you need to know what to do and you need a machariel, which is not a stabbed 5m merlin. So yes, FW is better than missioning for the broad mass and i admit it, but the isk is nothing special. I can rival that with what i do. I, however, cannot rival t5 isk :P
What exactly do you mean by gallente tier 4> amarr t4? 90% of the items are exactly the same, except for the faction ships and damage mods, which btw are bad because you need tags and the amount of tags you need isnt affected by tiers.


Need tags for ships? And the amarr bs are sub 300m while the gallente ships are 400-500m, is what i meant. I dispute that you can run lvl 4's at anywhere close to 330m per hour in any ship. Other than perhaps a once per quarter epic arc for some factions.

Only for the faction mods. Sorry my wording wasnt precise there. You are right though, gallente ships are indeed better than implants but the daily turnover is quite for low for them so i reckon you will have trouble selling a million worth of dominix navy issues. Then again...ok you convinced me, gallente has a better store :D
You dont have to believe me on the highsec missions part, but it is true, i dont want to disclose how exactly obviously, because competition would be a killer there :P
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-08-12 03:22:42 UTC
T4 wont even happen as nobody is popping the ihubs
Asari Tadaruwa
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2012-08-12 03:28:18 UTC
well thanks for ******* us nulli, wish you hadnt joined!
San Severina
One Point 0
#30 - 2012-08-12 03:48:24 UTC
Karah Serrigan wrote:
Deen Wispa wrote:
People make it sound like t4 is chump change. It is not. I'm happy if my militia hits t3. If we hit t4, then I'm grateful and consider it icing on the cake.


+5 imps at t4: 32500lp 32,5m isk. Profit=~68m ISK/LP=2.1k
+5 imps at t5: 16250lp 16,25m isk. Profit=~ 84m ISK/LP=5,1k
You see, t4 isnt bad, but t5 is more than twice as good :)



IT saddens me to see FW reduced to a numbers game for EvE's gnarled, mean, penny pinching, greedy little shopkeepers. A bunch of boring ass PVE for ISK, with the games equivalent of Wall Street Sub Prime Mortgage Crowd.
Go suck a Chode the lot of you.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#31 - 2012-08-12 03:55:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
San Severina wrote:
Karah Serrigan wrote:
Deen Wispa wrote:
People make it sound like t4 is chump change. It is not. I'm happy if my militia hits t3. If we hit t4, then I'm grateful and consider it icing on the cake.


+5 imps at t4: 32500lp 32,5m isk. Profit=~68m ISK/LP=2.1k
+5 imps at t5: 16250lp 16,25m isk. Profit=~ 84m ISK/LP=5,1k
You see, t4 isnt bad, but t5 is more than twice as good :)



IT saddens me to see FW reduced to a numbers game for EvE's gnarled, mean, penny pinching, greedy little shopkeepers. A bunch of boring ass PVE for ISK, with the games equivalent of Wall Street Sub Prime Mortgage Crowd.
Go suck a Chode the lot of you.




I love these holier than thou people who are above isk. And how they look down on anyone who can add and subtract as if that ability makes them despicable.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
#32 - 2012-08-12 04:13:03 UTC
Karah Serrigan wrote:
Seems like nulli gave up. They are flipping the systems as we speak and they will be in possession of amarr faction after the next downtime tomorrow.
However they can only get about 46 systems as of now and time is too short to grind another 10 to vulnerabl tomorrow.


Maybe they were encouraged by Labapi, a system Minmatar flipped just to let people farm it, and which is still only 51.3%. And Evati, which they flipped right away, which has been open to Minmatar plexers for ages now, is still only 49.3%. If the farming hordes have abandoned Minmatar to the extent that Labapi's still not Vulnerable, then Amarr having systems enough for T4 might just deliver the memo to the rest of them. Nulli and Hun and the Horde can continue to contest the systems they need for T5. Another argument: if T5 is right ******* there, with T4+ systems already taken, then maybe their own peons will be encouraged to stop farming vulnerable systems and get to work.

The T4/T5 push only happens when people start dumping LP into the systems.

Vordak Kallager wrote:
We'll be doing our best to make sure they are only able to hit T3 tomorrow.


You can't take systems enough for that by tomorrow. You can steal upgrade levels - but that's what 'level 6' is for, and that's a fight where the defender has an information advantage with the militia window. So all you can do is fight them at the bunkers. They'll be grinding a (relatively very weak) structure down outside of a deadspace pocket, with cynos ready - something they might've done before. So have fun with that :-)
San Severina
One Point 0
#33 - 2012-08-12 05:19:22 UTC
Cearain wrote:
San Severina wrote:
Karah Serrigan wrote:
Deen Wispa wrote:
People make it sound like t4 is chump change. It is not. I'm happy if my militia hits t3. If we hit t4, then I'm grateful and consider it icing on the cake.


+5 imps at t4: 32500lp 32,5m isk. Profit=~68m ISK/LP=2.1k
+5 imps at t5: 16250lp 16,25m isk. Profit=~ 84m ISK/LP=5,1k
You see, t4 isnt bad, but t5 is more than twice as good :)



IT saddens me to see FW reduced to a numbers game for EvE's gnarled, mean, penny pinching, greedy little shopkeepers. A bunch of boring ass PVE for ISK, with the games equivalent of Wall Street Sub Prime Mortgage Crowd.
Go suck a Chode the lot of you.




I love these holier than thou people who are above isk. And how they look down on anyone who can add and subtract as if that ability makes them despicable.


None of us are above ISK, the same as we all need $$ irl. & we can all add and subtract, that doesn't mean it should be the primary focus of faction war.
The same as the accumulation of wealth irl is the sole interest of the most banal & soulless 'citizens' the accumulation of LP & working the FW system seems to have attracted the very same people in the EvE universe. Or just brought out the 'greed is good' mentality in it's existing members.
Please try to understand, not all of us play EvE with the accumulation of ISK as our ultimate goal.
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-08-12 05:28:23 UTC
most of the wars ever started has been about money. If it wasn't started over money, money did sure enter the picture very quickly. Wether it was the raw money or the power that money offered/could buy
Dan Carter Murray
#35 - 2012-08-12 05:30:39 UTC
Karah Serrigan wrote:
Koujjo Dian wrote:
ISK, ISK, ISK and cashing out. That's all anyone is ever concerned about. Feel like I've walked into a Chinese gold farmer sub section of the forums. I'll be glad when CCP does the next round of FW changes and maybe FW will be about fighting for something instead of lining our wallets.

What else is there to talk about?
Breaking news, a huge fight broke out between the amarr and minmatar militias on the kamela gate in sosala . It looks like amarr are winning by having killed 3 rifters already and only losing 1 punisher, but minmatar brought reinforcements in form of 3 thrashers. The battle is raging on. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Battle report is all wrong.

Minmatar brought reinforcements of 27 stabber fleets, 2 falcons, 3 blackbirds, 7 canes, and 12 tornadoes.

They then called the 4 punisher fleet pu$$ies for not sticking around.

Jjohnpaul xvii fapped during the engagement while reading the blog of Susan Black aka Susan B!tch (it's what she's known as within the amarr) and whored onto every kill mail (the 1 punisher).

Hans checked his EVE mail and was unable to join the engagement because he was rofling at hate mail from fweddit. Subsequently he considered joining amarr but decided to stay on easy street.

Nulli showed up 6 hours later to an abandoned battlefield in gunless Merlins with cynos and dropped caps on a non-vulnerable bunker because they have no clue wtf is going on.



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Ethan Argoin
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2012-08-12 07:18:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Ethan Argoin
Meh TBH I got to 600k LP and got BORED!!!!

I will be happy to cash in that 600k LP to cover my PVP losses, which is what my corp is in FW for.

But ultimately, to keep a good ISK income, alts are indeed the future. And I dont mean Minnie/Gallente alts either.

You can make good ISK in a Machariel or Nightmare in high sec smashing through level 4's while you hunt prey on your main. EASY!!

The less LP FARMER carebears that are in Factional Warfare in general the better. I hope CCP nerf it TBH!
Dr Sheng-Ji Yang
Doomheim
#37 - 2012-08-12 07:31:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Dr Sheng-Ji Yang
When I see the Minmatar SFI fleet you can see what in fw is broken. The first who hits T5 wins.
I mean: Have you ever seen a Omen Navy issue fleet? No. Minnies hit T5 several times and in long terms they wil always be winning because this T5 events caused so much imbalance that it can´t be repaired. They are all sitting on their billions of isk and several hundred SFI and in our militia you should be happy if you have at least one Omen Navy Issue. At least let us better not mention that minnie ships are still completely overpowered.... Okay amarr have the best BS but how often do you use BS in fw? All I see is as always: Thrashers, Ruptures, SFI.
Actually fw is a total fail because you cant´t afford it without running a plexing or industrial support alt. Fail again.
If we really hit only T4 that will be a real fail. lol. Totaly fail.
But I suppose we won´t be able to make more. Well. No wonder when fightig against hundreds of SFI....
After that we will be really f... because we will be plexed down again like hell and we will have to deal with minnie AND gallente plexers.
In my opinion Nulli wasn´t that bad. I mean fw is really completely another eve and for this terms they weren´t bad.
Ethan Argoin
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2012-08-12 07:59:28 UTC
Dr Sheng-Ji Yang wrote:
When I see the Minmatar SFI fleet you can see what in fw is broken. The first who hits T5 wins.
I mean: Have you ever seen a Omen Navy issue fleet? No. Minnies hit T5 several times and in long terms they wil always be winning because this T5 events caused so much imbalance that it can´t be repaired. They are all sitting on their billions of isk and several hundred SFI and in our militia you should be happy if you have at least one Omen Navy Issue. At least let us better not mention that minnie ships are still completely overpowered.... Okay amarr have the best BS but how often do you use BS in fw? All I see is as always: Thrashers, Ruptures, SFI.
Actually fw is a total fail because you cant´t afford it without running a plexing or industrial support alt. Fail again.
If we really hit only T4 that will be a real fail. lol. Totaly fail.
But I suppose we won´t be able to make more. Well. No wonder when fightig against hundreds of SFI....
After that we will be really f... because we will be plexed down again like hell and we will have to deal with minnie AND gallente plexers.
In my opinion Nulli wasn´t that bad. I mean fw is really completely another eve and for this terms they weren´t bad.


You are slightly incorrect there Sheng buddy.

Quite often Amarr do use NOmens and very regularly FATE will use BS.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#39 - 2012-08-12 09:04:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Karah Serrigan wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Karah Serrigan wrote:

200k lp per 2.5 hours is under the circumstance that you have full set of systems with majors to cycle through with no one to stop you. If caldari systems are really that quiet, then gratz, nice to have i guess.
330m isk per hour is really good, yes, but you can get that through highsec missioning too. However it takes effort, you need to know what to do and you need a machariel, which is not a stabbed 5m merlin. So yes, FW is better than missioning for the broad mass and i admit it, but the isk is nothing special. I can rival that with what i do. I, however, cannot rival t5 isk :P
What exactly do you mean by gallente tier 4> amarr t4? 90% of the items are exactly the same, except for the faction ships and damage mods, which btw are bad because you need tags and the amount of tags you need isnt affected by tiers.


Need tags for ships? And the amarr bs are sub 300m while the gallente ships are 400-500m, is what i meant. I dispute that you can run lvl 4's at anywhere close to 330m per hour in any ship. Other than perhaps a once per quarter epic arc for some factions.

Only for the faction mods. Sorry my wording wasnt precise there. You are right though, gallente ships are indeed better than implants but the daily turnover is quite for low for them so i reckon you will have trouble selling a million worth of dominix navy issues. Then again...ok you convinced me, gallente has a better store :D
You dont have to believe me on the highsec missions part, but it is true, i dont want to disclose how exactly obviously, because competition would be a killer there :P


Well it will take us that long to re capture enough systems to cash out that over the month or two till it happens the market can absorb quite a few domis at good prices.

San Severina wrote:

None of us are above ISK, the same as we all need $$ irl. & we can all add and subtract, that doesn't mean it should be the primary focus of faction war.
The same as the accumulation of wealth irl is the sole interest of the most banal & soulless 'citizens' the accumulation of LP & working the FW system seems to have attracted the very same people in the EvE universe. Or just brought out the 'greed is good' mentality in it's existing members.
Please try to understand, not all of us play EvE with the accumulation of ISK as our ultimate goal.


its all relative. You barely ever pvp and as such spend next to nothing to upkeep your play style. Faction war tends to be an expensive occupation but has good income to maintain it.
Silence iKillYouu
Girls Lie But Zkill Doesn't
Pandemic Legion
#40 - 2012-08-12 10:26:56 UTC
they have been jumping a small super fleet around blitzing systems.

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