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How will the mining and technetium affect fuel block prices?
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qDoctor Strangelove
Doomheim
#21 - 2012-08-11 21:55:12 UTC
GreenSeed wrote:
Unless all the high sec mining is done on skiffs, macks are easily gankable. A full yield mack used to mine 76 blocks an hour, now it mines 70... that’s a reduction in extraction. The ehp of the old yield mack was 10k, now its 16k. Old macks on wholesale went for 150millon each, now 290m due to mat changes. And hulks? Who the hell would undock one of those now?

the point is, if the extraction of isotopes comes from full yield ships, then ganking is now more profitable than ever due to killing hulks when actually killing one, and also when killing a mack!.... lots of blue salvage? Oh yeah.

Cost of the gank? 2 dessies. Potential targets? Yield macks, half yield/half tank macks (DCUII + 2 invuls) and just about any hulk, really. Got 3 dessies? Well **** it, only skiffs are out of reach.

The real point is this; a full yield mack was affordable to lose. Now it isn’t. It must be tanked because it’s expensive as ****. A yield mack died to a dessie before and still does today, the difference is the cost of the barge, it’s 100% more expensive. If it is half tanked ehp climbs to 26k and the yield suffers even more, and goes down to 64 cubes/h and guess what, it dies 100% of the time to a double dessie gank... Am i really the only one who sees this?

The ehp buff? Now that was the real "fizzle". From the insane 48kehp yield macks we are down to 16kehp (with perfect skills, and t2 shield gang) can a single cat kill one? Not always... can two? 100% sure.

How long until miners begin to ***** about a 30 million gank killing their 300m ship? heh, didn’t take long for the bitching to start when the gank was 15m and their ship was 150m.

Also, ice prices were "stable" at around 1k p/u, they peaked at 1.3kp/u and since then they went down simply because 40m isk/h on highsec was too good to be true, the initial speculation before the patch actually raised prices, mostly due to what we now know as a fact, ice yield is down.

And yes some more miners will undock and mine 2 to 6 hours a week. woop de doo... the high sec isotope supply doesn’t come from the miners that mine and sell in the system station once or twice a week, it comes from the no lifers like myself that mine 1 - 2 million units a day. (i am, ofc, not even mentioning those damn bots)

My yield didn’t go up, it went down. All the while my risk cost went through the roof.

Now, please. Tell me how does this lower isotope prices?

Quite frankly 2 things have me puzzled, first how come Vaerah Vahrokha seems to agree that ganking is over because barges are now immortal… I thought you were the smart one around here, unless you are buying lots of what others are trowing away. And the second thing is why corestwo isn’t being more smug about how horribly will this barge rebalance backfire, I mean if there’s someone looking at the stupid production cost/gankability of the “new” barges, it has to be the gooons.


No way in hell a 26k EHP ship dies to dual destroyers if he got half a brain.
With half a brain I doubt 4 destroyers would kill an awake person, and if you are planning to AFK mine, go full tank on it.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-08-11 22:03:10 UTC
243636 wrote:
So I was thinking, the changes to mining ships will mean more isotopes on the market which should lower the cost of fuel blocks.

Flip over to the changes to technetium and alchemy. More Alchemy should mean more towers, which leads to more fuels blocks being consumed which will make the price of fuel blocks go up as demand increases.

Will the two balance each other out so overall no change in price?

Only problem is I can see mining changes leading to more isotopes on the market but there will be no extra PI products like coolant, mechanical parts ect. . . Is this why there are alot of big buy orders on for these at the moment? people stockpiling for after the patch?

If these PI items go up in price would this not then raise the price of fuel blocks?

Will we see the price of PI items go back to there heady heights of 6 months ago?



you look like michael jackson

I should buy an Ishtar.
Cheekybiatch
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2012-08-12 02:26:04 UTC
Honestly I think Ice prices will go back down but this wont happen for a while same as the tech price people will try and keep the prices high till the monthly influx of mass ice and goo comes floating in so give it a good 2 months for setup then the people trying to keep the price high will cash in and get out as the price crashes.
Valari Nala Zena
Perkone
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-08-12 14:01:46 UTC
Oh the ice prices will go down believe me.

Iv'e seen friends log on i haven't seen for years, just to mine, and some of them hated mining before....

The skill to mine has been reduced, tank increased, yield difference is negligible.
For example the mack, the ore bay is insane, people can just afk and drag after 30 mins, and yield close to hulk.
Just check the prices of the mack, the demand of it went in the sky.

The help channel is flooded with people asking questions about the mining changes all the time,
it even annoys the people who are in there to help.

Local is spiking with miners in my used to be quiet belt, but then i'm not helping, even i have logged in 3 additional accounts.

Want my advice, if you got any stocked ice materials, sell it now, cuz dem prices r goin down!
Red zeon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-08-14 02:12:11 UTC
also now is a good time to pop haulers couple jumps from jita hauling macks :P that alot of profit and alot of people hauling em
Xylorn Hasher
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-08-14 08:14:06 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
why will the changes to mining ships mean more isotopes? the maximum yield is unchanged.


Glacial Mass prices drops from 340K ISK/u to 270K ISK/u laready in Mimmy space in just few days.
Answer is if you can make ISks being AFK you will do it.

All my posts are made shortly after Marihuana consumption.
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#27 - 2012-08-14 17:38:38 UTC
Clear Icicle is crashing hard too.

The only thing I can think of that might be moderating the decrease in ice prices is the influx of POSes. Every moon containing cobalt in my neck of low sec has been snapped up moon mining + reacting POSes.

As fuel gets cheaper and cheaper, more and more POSes will go online as it'll be cheaper to fuel them.

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

Arec Bardwin
#28 - 2012-08-14 19:21:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Arec Bardwin
Isotopes prices will tank HARD. Out of curiosity I went to a system near Jita with 3 ice belts in it; literally hundreds of Mackinaws and Retrievers chewing away.

Question is: how low will the prices be before people don't bother to log in their mining alts and dock every 30 minutes to unload ore? 300? 250?
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#29 - 2012-08-15 16:02:50 UTC
Arec Bardwin wrote:
Isotopes prices will tank HARD. Out of curiosity I went to a system near Jita with 3 ice belts in it; literally hundreds of Mackinaws and Retrievers chewing away.

Question is: how low will the prices be before people don't bother to log in their mining alts and dock every 30 minutes to unload ore? 300? 250?

It was not that long ago when 180k per block was considered a good price to sell high sec ice at.
I have already seen some regions buy orders drop to around 200k.
243636
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-09-08 21:17:26 UTC
Well with Coolant up over 50% since my original post and mechanical parts up over 75% I think this is a prediction that paid off quite profitably. Pirate
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